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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7758251 - 12/14/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The original topic has too many variables to contemplate. Maybe you should make it specific to the story you quoted.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7758276 - 12/14/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
And why wrong?
See, this is what I have trouble in understanding.
Why is it wrong? According to whom?




uhh the ten commandments ...every goverments laws in the entire world probably around 5 billion people. and maybe the person ur killing. need i say more


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7758283 - 12/14/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The only question I'm asking in this thread is whether one views killing as being equivalent to letting die




They are almost identical.
However, it is not exactly the same thing.
Smith commits the murder and Jones doesn't... even though he doesn't move a finger to help the child who is obviously dying.
The difference is that you can never know for sure if Jones would have actually had the courage or determination to drown the child.
We are known to be complex beings and each time frame can be crucial for what decisions we make. Even though it is highly possible that Jones would have went along with his plan, it is not entirely certain so the difference (even small) is still there.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7758290 - 12/14/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

preschooler said:
Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
And why wrong?
See, this is what I have trouble in understanding.
Why is it wrong? According to whom?




uhh the ten commandments ...every goverments laws in the entire world probably around 5 billion people. and maybe the person ur killing. need i say more




Yeah you need to say more since you lack of any logic.
Enunciating a few words is NOT debating.
Try again :tongue:


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7758321 - 12/14/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think i held a pretty good argument there. Your question was to whom it was considered wrong and i gave you an answer of five billion people who want to live and don't want to be murdered what else to want to hear.:rolleyes:


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7758341 - 12/14/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you, I am well aware of the laws and moral conduits on our planet. That was some contribution. :smirk:
Now re-read the thread and see the CONTEXT in which I was asking that question.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7758390 - 12/14/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

please enlighten me.... because i may be lost


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7758406 - 12/14/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Look I don't feel like derailing this thread and it's not in my duty to explain kids stuff to you.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7758463 - 12/14/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you know you keep making smart ass comments but ur actually not explaing anything.... anybody else care to comment about it. i mean am i just completely stupid here or what?


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7758538 - 12/14/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was asking vigilant_mind for a clarification because he said that killing is bad.
Besides according to whom, which was a redundant question, I was asking WHY, why is it necessarily bad.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7758612 - 12/14/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

so why was my answer wrong?


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7758657 - 12/14/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Good, Evil.
correct, incorrect.
Whats the difference?


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7758708 - 12/14/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

preschooler said:
Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
And why wrong?
See, this is what I have trouble in understanding.
Why is it wrong? According to whom?




uhh the ten commandments ...every goverments laws in the entire world probably around 5 billion people. and maybe the person ur killing. need i say more




None of these human-imposed rules make particular actions wrong. "Wrong" itself is an invented concept. Certain acts are undesirable, and thus we choose to call them WRONG. This choice does not, however, create a basic nature of wrongness in any action. Actions are neutral, however desirable or undesirable they may be from a subjective POV.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7789183 - 12/22/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Killing vs. Letting Die -- Are they morally equivalent? State your reasons for believing why or why not they are on a moral par.




Not equivalent. How can you even ask the question?

Take your example of the kid drowning in the tub. In the killing case, the kid would not be dead if the adult had not been around to kill him. The adult's actions directly caused the kid to die. In other words, the adult intervened in the kid's life in such a way as to end it.

In the letting die case, the kid would be dead if the adult had not happened by at the right moment to save him. The adult's actions (standing by and watching) had nothing to do with the kid's death. The adult didn't intervene in the kid's life at all.



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