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Killing vs. Letting Die
    #7756726 - 12/13/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Are they morally equivalent? State your reasons for believing why or why not they are on a moral par.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7757466 - 12/14/07 08:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe in morality. :shrug:
And I can't comment more upon your examples because they are too generic.
Every little detail can turn a situation and what it means, upside down.
Instead of moral and immoral I prefer to use more/less necessary.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7757468 - 12/14/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree. Morals are just human made up nonsense. If our society said that it was moral to beat up old folks or strangle puppies we'd be out there doing it most likely.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7757472 - 12/14/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you fall through thin ice and I am on the shore, I am not going in after you. If there is a rope nearby, I will toss it to you (unless you dissed me on shroom ratings).


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7757475 - 12/14/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It is moral to torture gooks and towelheads.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7757482 - 12/14/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
It is moral to torture gooks and towelheads.



Only if we fly a "Mission Accomplished" banner.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Silversoul]
    #7757491 - 12/14/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

its definatley the same thing....thats why if there is a god we are all going to hell for being capitalist.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Silversoul]
    #7757499 - 12/14/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

'Mission Accomplished' was not referring to anything other than the fact that Bush was proud of duping the American people into making shitloads of money for defense contractors, Halliburton and the oil companies and others of his cronies.

It was the greatest sleight-of-hand in American history.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die *DELETED* [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7757563 - 12/14/07 09:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Post deleted by LunarEclipse

Reason for deletion: paul is dead



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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7757599 - 12/14/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am all for voluntary euthanasia any which way.
If someone is convinced they'd be better off ending it and are stable (not senile, crazy, etc) then it is THEIR right to die.

However, out of the two, I personally would want to be let die. The lethal injection seems a lot easier, more painless, etc but I want my death to be as natural as possible.. do ya dig?


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7757643 - 12/14/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't believe in morality. :shrug:
And I can't comment more upon your examples because they are too generic.





How do you not believe in morality? I don't see how you can't have any sense of right and wrong.

Also, I intentionally didn't give any examples, that way you guys could come with your own to defend your views.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7757662 - 12/14/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
I agree. Morals are just human made up nonsense. If our society said that it was moral to beat up old folks or strangle puppies we'd be out there doing it most likely.




We do like our hero athletes to strangle puppies. It's the warriors way.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7757668 - 12/14/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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vigilant_mind said:
Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
I don't believe in morality. :shrug:
And I can't comment more upon your examples because they are too generic.





How do you not believe in morality? I don't see how you can't have any sense of right and wrong.

Also, I intentionally didn't give any examples, that way you guys could come with your own to defend your views.




There is a big difference between personal ethics and morality.;)


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Icelander]
    #7757671 - 12/14/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Care to elaborate?


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7757682 - 12/14/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ethics are standards I hold myself to and are completely subjective to me. Morality is a set of cultural standards (set by the culture or whomever) that I am expected to live up to whether I agree with them or not.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Icelander]
    #7757705 - 12/14/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ethics are standards I hold myself to and are completely subjective to me. Morality is a set of cultural standards (set by the culture or whomever) that I am expected to live up to whether I agree with them or not.




That sounds like moral relativism.

Morality can be either personal or social, yet the fact still remains that the morals are you basic idea of what you consider is right versus what is wrong regardless of whether society agrees with you.

Ethics, morals, what have you--we can play word games all day, but the concept of morality does not connote being a necessarily societal concept, as you have demonstrated by saying that your concept of right and wrong are completely subjective.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7757706 - 12/14/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I simply don't believe in morality.

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I don't see how you can't have any sense of right and wrong.




This is so much like saying "I don't see how you don't believe in god. You must believe in a higher power"
Any notion that I have of right and wrong is purely subjective, therefore vitiated. Not to mention that these perceptions have dramatically changed several times now, that I experience more and more difficulties in confiding them.
I hope this answers your question.


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7757713 - 12/14/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ethics, morals, what have you--we can play word games all day

What a silly thing to say. Look them up and then understand.

Every thing you say is a "word" game. So play by the rules we can agree on or go to the Mystery forum.:lol:


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7757716 - 12/14/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I simply don't believe in morality.

Quote:

I don't see how you can't have any sense of right and wrong.




This is so much like saying "I don't see how you don't believe in god. You must believe in a higher power"
Any notion that I have of right and wrong is purely subjective, therefore vitiated. Not to mention that these perceptions have dramatically changed several times now, that I experience more and more difficulties in confiding them.
I hope this answers your question.




Whether something is moral or not is not a matter of having evidence, so the example you gave was not the most parallel. Yes, some moral views can be better defended than others, yet the concept of what is right versus wrong is a personal opinion (even if that opinion is in step with the societal consensus).

So, what you're saying is that you have no concept of right versus wrong?


Edited by vigilant_mind (12/14/07 10:07 AM)


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Re: Killing vs. Letting Die [Re: Icelander]
    #7757728 - 12/14/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Ethics, morals, what have you--we can play word games all day

What a silly thing to say. Look them up and then understand.

Every thing you say is a "word" game. So play by the rules we can agree on or go to the Mystery forum.:lol:




What I'm getting at is that everyone has a basic concept of right versus wrong, at least on some level.


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