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Anonymous #1

Dealers -- How do you manage your money?
    #7756714 - 12/13/07 11:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Lets say you're brining in $600 a month in cash. Do you keep your money in a safe? Bank?

If putting large amount of money in a bank on a regular basis with no explainable means of getting that money, does one need to worry about the bank/government finding about this income and getting suspicious?


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Anonymous #2

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7756853 - 12/14/07 12:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Keep the cash in a safe.

Never use a bank, only cash in the safe.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #7756910 - 12/14/07 12:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What happens when you need to turn that money into something like a check? Or an online payment for something?

You can only do so many things with cash...


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Anonymous #3

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7756942 - 12/14/07 12:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Slowly put it into your bank account. Or buy lots of shit.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7756945 - 12/14/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

money order



I would presume  :shrug:


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Anonymous #5

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7756975 - 12/14/07 12:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

anonymous prepaid credit cards


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Anonymous #6

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7757674 - 12/14/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Government is tightening its grip. You can forget about putting unexplainable money in the bank, it hardly works at all now but it definitely won't work in the nearby future.

The only way you can use unexplainable cash is on smalltime anonymous purchases, paid in cash.


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Anonymous #7

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7757681 - 12/14/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I keep an index card "bank book" of transcations and all the cash in a ziploc bag in my stash. in a safe.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #7758048 - 12/14/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No bank is going to look suspiciously on putting $600/month into an account. Seriously, if a bank see's $600 a month added into an account they'll think: "Gee, it looks like little timmy got a new paper route".

If anyone asks you about say it's a gift. You can legally give someone up to $12k per year without being taxed.

If your a small time drug dealer making less than a high school dropout that works at McDonald's you're not going to get caught by the feds for unaccountable income.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #7758219 - 12/14/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

No bank is going to look suspiciously on putting $600/month into an account.





Its not just the banks who get to see your data though. It goes directly to the Government.


Quote:

If anyone asks you about say it's a gift.





Each month? From whom? Why? How come his financial data shows nothing to that effect?


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Anonymous #9

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7758305 - 12/14/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

savings account... transfer money when needed to checking or withdraw straight from account.... honestly thats small time money you will be fine


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Anonymous #10

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #7758533 - 12/14/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Nobody will give a fuck about $600 a month.


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Anonymous #11

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #7758585 - 12/14/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Claim it on your taxes at the end of the year. Say it is from selling things at the swap meet, or you do freelance computer repair/handyman/whatever you want. No more unexplained money. The taxes you will pay on this small amoutn will be about $300 maybe more. Don't forget to deduct your expenses like gas, etc...


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Anonymous #12

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #7758600 - 12/14/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
Keep the cash in a safe.

Never use a bank, only cash in the safe.




:thumbup:

If you're looking to invest it at all do it in gold and silver.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #7758602 - 12/14/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Diamonds are nice as well. As the saying goes, diamonds are forever. :grin:


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Anonymous #12

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7758607 - 12/14/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
The Government is tightening its grip. You can forget about putting unexplainable money in the bank, it hardly works at all now but it definitely won't work in the nearby future.

The only way you can use unexplainable cash is on smalltime anonymous purchases, paid in cash.




Bullshit..

Indian Casinos FTW.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #7758627 - 12/14/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wealthy relatives are nice to have as well. Wash yourself at the Indians and have a relative dump it into a trust fund which won't look suspicious at all.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #7758650 - 12/14/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
I keep an index card "bank book" of transcations and all the cash in a ziploc bag in my stash. in a safe.




That nice of you to keep a record of everything the cops will need to jail you for trafficking.  Don't keep records and don't keep cash with your stash.

:flowstone:


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Anonymous #14

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #7758688 - 12/14/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if i were you i'd invest it in something that would hold its price or increase alongside inflation.

i don't know if gold does.
sounds good though.


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Anonymous #15

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #11]
    #7758691 - 12/14/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

$600, haha...i wouldn't worry about that at all.

I have never dealt (I just use my legitamate job to pay for drugs), but if you are worrying about $600 being added to your income then claim it...and if you have no other income, then you probably aren't really makin enough money to have to pay taxes most likely. (talk to an accountant)

Just put some in the bank and spend the rest on food, gas, drugs, liquor, parties, gifts, girls, etc...if you have no other income, then you can just say you get a monthly stipend from a relative or some shit to cover any excess you won't use in a month...which probably won't be much with only $600.

The banks don't even have to declare it to the feds unless it is a transaction above $10,000.

I thought this thread was gonna be about laundering money or some shit. My buddy who is an accountant was telling me how that is done...something like you start a mainly-cash business(like a bar, strip club, car wash, etc)...then you cook the books saying that you are bringing in more money than you actually are and just pad the business income with your drug cash. They won't be able to tell the difference. Unfortunetly this only really works if you make a ton of money...because you will only get a return on about 50%...so you have to be doing pretty big business...like 100s of thousands of dollars not $600 a month...haha. Its all about volume.

There is also swiss bank accounts...

One other thing...make sure you have a legitimate income too, and do not live in a place/have a car/etc. that is more than the legitimate income is...otherwise they will get suspicious. Then just save your money until you can leave town and retire.

But seriously $600/month isn't going to raise any eyebrows. A lot of rich kids get that as an allowance. You think they are gonna check everyone getting small amounts of money. And if you are really worried couldn't you just find a shoebox to stick under your bed? Convert it to $100, it will take a long time to fill that box at $600/month, and just use that money for any cash expenses you can and save your real income

Sounds like you are pretty young(maybe living with parents in HS which is why you wouldn't have a job to explain extra money)and just getting started, so those are some good guidelines as your entrepreneurial business grows until you are the next Escobar...

I do think you are being smart about being paranoid and cautious...they catch a lot dealers/criminals by pegging them with tax evation...thats how Capone went down.

Seriously though, anyone who is doing actual big business, should find an accountant that will help them...but it is gonna cost $$$.

Good luck with your business.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7758848 - 12/14/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

OP here,

Thanks a lot everyone for all the replies and tips.

Quote:

Sounds like you are pretty young(maybe living with parents in HS which is why you wouldn't have a job to explain extra money)and just getting started, so those are some good guidelines as your entrepreneurial business grows until you are the next Escobar...




Actually, I live on my own, and do have legit income as well. But yeah, I WAS just wanting to be cautious and clear that up before I start bringing in the money.


Looks like it's time to go out and buy a safe. Most likely I'll keep half as cash and throw the rest in the bank as I need it.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7759194 - 12/14/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
$600, haha...i wouldn't worry about that at all.

I have never dealt (I just use my legitamate job to pay for drugs), but if you are worrying about $600 being added to your income then claim it...and if you have no other income, then you probably aren't really makin enough money to have to pay taxes most likely. (talk to an accountant)

Just put some in the bank and spend the rest on food, gas, drugs, liquor, parties, gifts, girls, etc...if you have no other income, then you can just say you get a monthly stipend from a relative or some shit to cover any excess you won't use in a month...which probably won't be much with only $600.

The banks don't even have to declare it to the feds unless it is a transaction above $10,000.

I thought this thread was gonna be about laundering money or some shit. My buddy who is an accountant was telling me how that is done...something like you start a mainly-cash business(like a bar, strip club, car wash, etc)...then you cook the books saying that you are bringing in more money than you actually are and just pad the business income with your drug cash. They won't be able to tell the difference. Unfortunetly this only really works if you make a ton of money...because you will only get a return on about 50%...so you have to be doing pretty big business...like 100s of thousands of dollars not $600 a month...haha. Its all about volume.

There is also swiss bank accounts...

One other thing...make sure you have a legitimate income too, and do not live in a place/have a car/etc. that is more than the legitimate income is...otherwise they will get suspicious. Then just save your money until you can leave town and retire.

But seriously $600/month isn't going to raise any eyebrows. A lot of rich kids get that as an allowance. You think they are gonna check everyone getting small amounts of money. And if you are really worried couldn't you just find a shoebox to stick under your bed? Convert it to $100, it will take a long time to fill that box at $600/month, and just use that money for any cash expenses you can and save your real income

Sounds like you are pretty young(maybe living with parents in HS which is why you wouldn't have a job to explain extra money)and just getting started, so those are some good guidelines as your entrepreneurial business grows until you are the next Escobar...

I do think you are being smart about being paranoid and cautious...they catch a lot dealers/criminals by pegging them with tax evation...thats how Capone went down.

Seriously though, anyone who is doing actual big business, should find an accountant that will help them...but it is gonna cost $$$.

Good luck with your business.




This is all very sound advice.


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Anonymous #16

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7759682 - 12/14/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

$600 bucks in a month, I used to make $600 on a good day. Selling drugs isn't worth it if thats all you are making.


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Anonymous #17

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #16]
    #7759741 - 12/14/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you are making 600 a day you are selling drugs to everyone and anyone....like a fucking idiot.

If you are making 600 a month you are selling to close friends, staying out of jail, and being intelligent and not getting greedy.

You'll never need a place to put that 600 bucks, it will always be going to buy more drugs ( unless you are fronting ). It takes money to make money, the more you make, the more you put into your venture, the more you put into your venture, the more you make.....

buy in bulk, go for deals, don't keep tons of cash at hand.


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Anonymous #18

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #17]
    #7760369 - 12/14/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
If you are making 600 a day you are selling drugs to everyone and anyone....like a fucking idiot.





not the poster that originally posted 600 a day, but if you set up a hierarchy, 3 ppls below you, they get the ounces and the hassle, and you only sell once or twice a month, can sell a pound a month easy. 300 the ounce wholesale... work it out yourself. and that's with no risk as long as you have chosen the right people to handle your business.

600 a month= fuck that shit. not worth the extra charges ontop of possesion.


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Anonymous #19

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #18]
    #7760435 - 12/14/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i've very seriously considered setting up my own little grow armoire. very small time, to basically just supply for myself. 300 watts aiming for 6-8 oz per cycle, which would be about every 2 months w/ clones, 3 w/ seeds. but there's no way in hell i'd smoke all that.

however, i know several good friends who are very trustworthy, regular smokers. so every now and then i think that it'd be nice to get a setup like that, only sell like 3oz per month to a couple of good friends, telling them i'm getting it from another good friend but not letting them know i'm growing. basically just selling enough to pay for the cost of the setup, and maybe a little something extra to pad my bills.

some of you guys saying that 600 a month isn't worth it, but if you're really safe about it, that's like free rent. and by safe i mean selling to people you know rather well that are long-term high quantity smokers. shit, that's cable, electric, water, insurance and then some. i know i'd sure as hell like an extra $600/mth


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Anonymous #12

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #19]
    #7760939 - 12/15/07 04:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

$2400 per #.

$2400 / 16 = $150 per oz.

Resell at $200 per oz.

$800 profit on each # sold.

If you're doing that every couple days - week = not too shabby.

= you can make a lot of monies.


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Anonymous #20

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #7761031 - 12/15/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

donate it all to the shroomery


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Anonymous #6

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #7761035 - 12/15/07 06:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm against drugdealing and that kinda shit.. but if ANYONE is putting money in a safe for storage I would STRONGLY recommend to store this value as gold and/or silver.

I looked closely at the US dollar, the Euro and related matters, and even when I'm going with the optimistic scenario there is only one conclusion: The US dollar lost at least half of its value in the six-year period of 2002-2007. That means that $100 today gets you what you could get for $50 a mere six years ago. Even if you elect Jesus for president in 2008 I don't see this trend changing anytime soon, Bush did tremendous damage during his presidency, and much of its effects that are present now will take a few more years to be truly felt by the population. He took the dollar to the slaughter, plain and simple. In addition to that there are numerous economic factors out of anyones control that favor the decline of the dollar.

Gold and silver it is :smile:

For about $800 you can buy a 1 oz gold bullion coin, such as a Krugerrand. It is very forgiving of poor storage conditions and $10.000 worth of gold fits comfortably in the palm of your hand.

For about $1.400 you can buy a 100 oz silver bar, which is about the size of a small brick and stacks easily in a relatively small space.

If you're about storing reasonable amounts of wealth, these are the things you want.

Do a Pub search on user Wiccan_Seeker and words like gold, silver and bullion to read more about bullion investing and the decline of the dollar.

Once more, I'm against drug dealing and those kinds of illegal income, but you really, REALLY shouldn't keep any kind of serious money in a safe because its inherent value is melting like snow in the sun.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7761048 - 12/15/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh if you think I'm full of shit about the dollar, here's some math to freak you the fuck out:

The Eurozone has had an officially stated inflation of 2% a year. It is much wose than that, but shoot, lets go with the official number right?

That means the Euro of 2007 is worth 88.6% of the euro of 2002.

Now when the Euro became an actual currency in 2002 it was of equal value to the US dollar. But today we see that the dollar is only worth 0.67 of TODAY's Euros.

That would make the 2007 US Dollar worth 59.4% of what it was worth in 2002, and that's using the OFFICIAL numbers given by the ECB and pitting them against proven currency exchange rates.

True inflation always is higher than the government wants you to believe, because this works for them. Inflation is a sneaky kind of taxes really.

So there you have it: even if you use the bright and shiny numbers the governments put out, and apply math anyone can check for themselves, the 2007 dollars isn't even worth 60 cents of the 2002 dollar.

THIS GOES FOR THE VALUE OF ALL YOUR INVESTMENTS, SAVINGS AND RETIREMENT PLANS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

In these dangerous times of the war on terrorism, you have been fucked out of at least 40 cents from every dollar you own.


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Anonymous #21

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7761057 - 12/15/07 07:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you guys need to learn from a real baller...

* first off you need keep drugs out of the house with money two items together is bad.

* don't keep guns with drugs if you do get busted penalties double with guns and sentencing structure changes (you do higher % of time)

* don't talk to cops when shit does go down amazing amounts of people love talking about themselves and incriminate themselves. save the bullshitting for the fish tank.

* make sure to put money away for lawyer fees - you may want to approach a lawyer before getting in trouble to establish a working relationship with him. (make sure you approach one that is recommended etc)

* hire confident others to do high risk activities but leave them unattached from you.

* stay off your phone - no code words nothing, tell your friends your going to visit them AND then talk in private away from anyone you don't PERSONALLY know.

* any long term financial holdings should be in gold since if you hold cash your not using you lose money with inflation - gold increases in value not decreases.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7762912 - 12/15/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
I'm against drugdealing and that kinda shit.. but if ANYONE is putting money in a safe for storage I would STRONGLY recommend to store this value as gold and/or silver.

...





Haha, hi Wiccan.


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Anonymous #22

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #7765860 - 12/16/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
Quote:

Anonymous said:
I keep an index card "bank book" of transcations and all the cash in a ziploc bag in my stash. in a safe.




That nice of you to keep a record of everything the cops will need to jail you for trafficking.  Don't keep records and don't keep cash with your stash.

:flowstone:




QFT


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Anonymous #23

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #22]
    #7766637 - 12/16/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

First off what good is it going to do if you just put your money in a safe deposit box or invest in gold or whatever and not be able to use it. For storage purposes thats fine but the fact of the matter is, it is unexplainable money. Now some are going to say oh a friend loaned it to me or I do handyman work, I cut peoples grass best of luck if you get audited. Even if it is small time, if your busted and they check your financial statements and they will your going to have a reason for the unexplainable money: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7758607#Post7758607


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Anonymous #24

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7811468 - 12/29/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why don't you start a LLC and learn how the tax man works. Their is a formula that increase your chance of getting an audit.

But you can use this LLC as a shell company and it makes things a lot easier. You have to make sure you set things up correctly and to figure ways not to raise your score for an audit.

Enjoy.


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Anonymous #25

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #7812676 - 12/30/07 05:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
Diamonds are nice as well. As the saying goes, diamonds are forever. :grin:




Diamonds are fucking semi precious at best. Ever seen those HUGE warehouses just full of them? Debeers artificially inflates the price on them.


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Anonymous #26

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #25]
    #7812729 - 12/30/07 07:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

tbh, converting your dollars to ANYTHING right now is a bit of a bad call.. unless you think the dollar is going to tank even *further*

and honestly comparing it to the euro is a bit bunk. go check out dollar vs. euro for 1995. yeah, it's less right now -- but for the majority of 2007 the rates are very comparable to the majority of 1995. 1996 = 2004. 1999 = 2003.


fucking economics. i hate it. it's not enough like blackjack. too unpredictable.

but i for one don't see the dollar tanking much further, nor not recovering for a great length of time.. which means you folk who took your small-value dollars and moved them into goods, might just take a beating when the dollar moves back up.

it's not like gold holds its value steadily either. nothing does. see above: i hate fucking economics, there's no stability, it's all just fucking fluid.


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Anonymous #27

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #15]
    #7815477 - 12/30/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

convert cash into gold, silver, plantinum bullion. it even earns interest.

i dont sell on the regular, how ever once in a while i'l flood the local community with caps. maybe 3 or 4 times a year. all cash is converted into gold, silver, palatinum bullion and hidden. a safe is stupid. if they find it, dont even bother locking it. your better off hiding a few coins in differnt spots. they'l never find it.


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Anonymous #27

Re: Dealers -- How do you manage your money? [Re: Anonymous #26]
    #7815507 - 12/30/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
tbh, converting your dollars to ANYTHING right now is a bit of a bad call.. unless you think the dollar is going to tank even *further*

and honestly comparing it to the euro is a bit bunk. go check out dollar vs. euro for 1995. yeah, it's less right now -- but for the majority of 2007 the rates are very comparable to the majority of 1995. 1996 = 2004. 1999 = 2003.


fucking economics. i hate it. it's not enough like blackjack. too unpredictable.

but i for one don't see the dollar tanking much further, nor not recovering for a great length of time.. which means you folk who took your small-value dollars and moved them into goods, might just take a beating when the dollar moves back up.

it's not like gold holds its value steadily either. nothing does. see above: i hate fucking economics, there's no stability, it's all just fucking fluid.




precious metals are all about hiding high value in small volume. and it isnt considred currency, anything over 10,000$ is subject to alot of BS laws.


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