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    #7756124 - 12/13/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

my jars are on day 17 of COLONIZATION and are just now showing condensation...and a lot of it. is this normal? my mycelium was growing really well and very rhizomorphic but has seemed to slow down. my normal room temp has been between 75 and 80. should i loosen up my lids?
another question... i'll be gone for christmas and i'm hoping to have my first jars in the terrarium by then. i am using the hand spraying method. will they be okay without any spraying for one day?? what are your suggestions?


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Re: jar condensation [Re: mosspatch]
    #7756151 - 12/13/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you are not giving any information i hope you know that , i assume that you have pf cakes , the colonization will slow down eventually , no need to loose your lids , no problems for one day but if you had lots of holes (6 side of terrarium ) and 3" to 4" of perlite you wouldn't have to worry about anything


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Re: jar condensation [Re: whereismymind]
    #7756177 - 12/13/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don't take off the lid ever for any reason never ever unless you're birthing those cakes or throwing them out. If you leave your cakes without spraying them for one day, they won't like it but they'll survive.


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Re: jar condensation [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7756893 - 12/14/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There will be some condensation inside the jar as growing myc causes some heat.. I think the slowdown might be due to improper/insufficient C02 exchange, If you used a dry verm layer, you can loosen the cap and/or expose the inoculation holes w/o fear because the dry verm layer should act as your filter, preventing outside contamination while allowing proper C02 exchange. Some even go a step beyond and suggest to remove the cap completely, I've never done that. I've had good results by just exposing the inoculation holes, right after I inoculate. Your temp seems to be optimal. Remember, once your cakes look 100% colonized, you should really leave them undisturbed for an additional week to allow myc to get thick and healthy and also colonize the middle of the cake. If this is not done, it might be a while until you get some shrooms once you birth the cakes. You should also dunk + roll them after waiting the additional week.


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Re: jar condensation [Re: c0_hush]
    #7757118 - 12/14/07 01:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Flip your jars upside down to drain CO2. Removing the lids is a BAD IDEA period!

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Re: jar condensation [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #7757537 - 12/14/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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my jars are on day 17 of COLONIZATION




Jars are only glass. To answer the question accurately, it's important to know what is INside the jars. Procedures are far different for grains than for brf cakes.

For brf cakes, you can open the lid without fear if you have a vermiculite filter. I would recommend against turning them upside down because it disturbs the filter, and all the contaminants on the top surface of the verm filter can be mixed into the uncolonized substrate below. CO2 doesn't 'drain' out when they're upside down anyway.
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Re: jar condensation [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7757959 - 12/14/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I had a similar problem with Rye Grain stalling out in the past, it seemed to be caused by a wet Tyvek filter, it came about because I had the filter under the lid (which was the plastic type with a couple of holes drilled in it). Once that tyvek got wet it lost its ability to allow for gas exchange, rather than throw out all the 70% colonized jars, I loaded them all into my glove box, made new lids with the filter on the outside and went about swapping the lids. They recovered after this pretty nicely, not perfectly I think a couple had already developed some of that wonderful bacillus from the stagnant water present, but none the less I learned my lesson to never put the filter under the lid.

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Re: jar condensation [Re: goodenough]
    #7766064 - 12/16/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yea i have brf. sorry i left that out. i took the foil off and loosened my lids but they're still on and i took my jars outof the box i had them in to get more air. i think they've picked up again. thankyou!


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Re: jar condensation [Re: mosspatch]
    #7766263 - 12/16/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What are you misting? Unless some new technique has been developed since I was gone, you don't mist your jars while they are colonizing. Spraying the jars may wet the dry top verm layer, which is BAD.


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Re: jar condensation [Re: mosspatch]
    #7766439 - 12/16/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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mosspatch said:
another question... i'll be gone for christmas and i'm hoping to have my first jars in the terrarium by then. i am using the hand spraying method. will they be okay without any spraying for one day?? what are your suggestions?




He means that he will be misting the birthed jars.


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Re: jar condensation [Re: Nibin]
    #7766903 - 12/16/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Seems like everyone has the same problem with the holidays near...I'm a little mad myself because my first dozen cakes are going nicely and almost done but im leaving Saturday...So i guess into the fridge they go. I can't decide how to time it, I read that once they look fully colonized to wait a few more days so I could almost just keep them like 75-80 and theyd be nice and ready for me when I get back I think. Not sure and really don't want to be wrong since I have no more spores.


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Re: jar condensation [Re: DontPlay]
    #7780693 - 12/20/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yea mine are looking as though i'll have to wait until after christmas to birth anyway. there are 5 days til christmas and then i'll have to wait a few days to a week to allow the mycelium to really anchor. my mycelium is just now wrapping around the bottom.
it kinda sucks cuz i was hoping to get some harvest by new years.

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So i guess into the fridge they go. I can't decide how to time it, I read that once they look fully colonized to wait a few more days so I could almost just keep them like 75-80 and theyd be nice and ready for me when I get back I think.




i think they would be better left out if you're only gonna be gone 4 or 5 days. your cakes need several days after 100% anyway. then you won't have anything to worry about as far as leaving them without any attention. do the whole birthing shin-dig when you get back.

how far along is your mycelium?


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Re: jar condensation [Re: mosspatch]
    #7780741 - 12/20/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They look about 90 % done on the outside...so I guess easily another week. So I'm going to keep them out and hope their not a nasty sludge when I get back. I also have 6 cakes in a terrarium and their my first cakes ever I'm kinda sad about whats gonna happen to those. So im gonna trust my buddy who gave me my first spores to watch them in his terrarium while im gone. The first flush shouldn't even be done by the time i get back, but hopefully by New Years I will have some.


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Re: jar condensation [Re: mosspatch]
    #7780789 - 12/20/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah- that's a good friend to babysit for you. the best of luck with the harvest. that would be awesome to enjoy your own growth on new years. that was what i was hoping for, but its hard to time this process when you're first starting out. it'll get easier though.


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