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Sra_sephiroth0
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dmt extration
#7755372 - 12/13/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so my last extract yeilded clearish dmt slime. does anyone know the cause of this. could it be that im using draino lye crystals rather then red devil, its the only lye i can find around here im thinking about ordering some form a chem site. any who whats the deal i basify to a Ph of about 12-13 i noticed the speration makes little emulsions when the PH is that base which makes it easy. any idea whats up thanks.
or is it just that im not giving it enough time to dry it doesnt seem to dry any more until i make a ball of stuff from scraping it, its clear not 100% pure it has a slight tint to it any ideas
thanks
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enesi
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are you freeze precipitating?
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Re: dmt extration [Re: enesi]
#7755419 - 12/13/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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U should use 100% lye and I think u would get a better responce in the chemistry forum.
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jmg5
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Re: dmt extration [Re: Knoa6]
#7755465 - 12/13/07 07:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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evaporate until there is almost no solvent left, then stick it in the freezer. no need to wait days it will be ready within hours, and the crystals are totally pure
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: dmt extration [Re: jmg5]
#7756382 - 12/13/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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now i tried freezing it and scraped then it was still slightly waxy. Im guess i should evap till theres nothing then then add a tiny bit of naptha kinda agitate the plate then as its been suggested put it in a shot glass and then freeze that, once its frozen pour thru coffe filter my extract was only of about 45g of mimosa so it was a huge yeild to be expected im gona do a 300g extract next this first one was just a warm up cause its been a year since my last extraction which yeilded good crystals and i even used the same lye. well im deffinatly gona post on the big extract there will be more in the future thats for sure. btw if you like extracting dmt try doing 5-meo plants contain virola and LSA seeds. crystal lsa is really nice, it melts in your mouth and a tiny dab does the job.
yeah i cant post on chem cause new name. also i know where to get clean 100% lye i just dont have it yet and dont feel like waiting. im guessing its just its not fully dry.
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jmg5
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what I do is let it evap until it's all concentrated in the middle of the dish, and none on the sides then cover and freeze on the coldest setting for about 6 hours at this point you should have solid crystals, i let the dish dry for a few hours, for the first 20 minutes or so I hold the dish sideways and upside down to drain all the naptha so no crystals redissolve
if you're doing something similar to that and are still yielding wax I wonder how you are extracting it? following that method of precipitation I pulled about a gram of pure white crystals from an acid/base extraction on 100g of bark, with no defat and no washes
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thedudenj
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Re: dmt extration [Re: jmg5]
#7757630 - 12/14/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow no defat. hmm people say to skip it but when i defatt theres clearly fat pulled by the naptha. im gona give this a try tho. my question to you is what do you think the ratio of bark to acidified water is i read some where 3 liters for 300g of bark and that sounds a bit rediculous. hmm the thing is i only did leave it in the freezer for about 30min tops, this is obviously my issuse here. thanks
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I wish someone would clear this up. This question pops up so often, and it caused me to panic the first time I experienced a waxy goop on my dish instead of crystals.
I figured out that if you scrape the goop around, expanding its surface area, it kind of solidifies into a waxy powder. The waxy clear or yellow spice is just as powerful as freeeze precipitated crystals, so it's really just aesthetics.
Does anyone actually know why this waxy stuff even happens? It seems like even pure crystal spice would revert to waxiness if heated and allowed to cool again, so I don't think it is excess fats pulled with the extraction.
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thedudenj
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yeah i think its something like that. the wax is strong its done amazing things. i tripped pretty hard yesterday
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Re: dmt extration [Re: thedudenj]
#7758288 - 12/14/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use about a quart of water to 100g bark, it seems to be just right you can see the sediment when you stir it but it all stirs into the water easily and after a couple hours its a deep red.
i've boiled twice with two seperate quarts before and i'm not sure if its worth it since the second extract is just a pale pinkish/red but it definitely didn't hurt the yield if you think it's too much water you could do two boils each with 1.5 liters
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: dmt extration [Re: jmg5]
#7758611 - 12/14/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well i dont boil it i HCL and run it on hot water for a bit. it turns that deep red really quick. I light of this i will do 2 pulls on the mater with 1.5liters at a time. i will do the first liter as normal strain, then defatt, basify then naptha pull the dmt once that is done i will add the plant matter to the now ph 13 solution which is a strong enough base to pull the remaining dmt out of the plant mater and into the solution. at this point the solution will aslo be about 1.8liters or so. this will pretty much save the point of getting new liquid then strain and naptha pull. how much naptha would you recomend per 1.5 liters. i was thinking .2 liters. i want to use enough naptha so i only have to do a total of 2 pulls
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better to use excess naphtha because you're evaporating so much anyway with my 100g extraction, the first pull I used 250ml, then 150, then 100 so in total I used a pint of naphtha, but only yielded a gram they say 100ml will extract ~1 gram of dmt so it may have been overkill but the extraction was a complete success. Besides that I had to use more than 100ml in order to seperate the layers. but I probably could have used half of the naphtha effectively so a pint of naphtha would probably cover a 300g extraction well if you were doing two pulls i'd dump in 300ml then 200 for the second, but then you might as well pull what's left with another 100ml or so
i used to use naphtha at room temperature but the extraction is way more efficent if it's hot. just pour it in a glass measuring cup and set it in a pot with a rag or cloth on the bottom and boil the water on medium heat. a few minutes and it will be boiling hot peace
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: dmt extration [Re: jmg5]
#7759008 - 12/14/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well ill do a 300ml pull then add the mimosa to reuse then strain then do another 300ml pull then a 100ml pull to get anything left over. im using the pink inner bark so i hope i get 3grams that would be really nice
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