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Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts
#7754618 - 12/13/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spore Works is very excited to introduce you to the Five Pound Manure Based Signature Substrate Bag Kits by Cultivating Concepts. The team at Cultivating Concepts has formulated this special compost and manure based substrate for optimal mushroom growth. The included pocket of rye berries helps ensure proper spawn development and rapid colonization.
Here is some more from Cultivating Concepts about this wonderful new product:
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Our compost based Signature Substrate formula is over two years in development, brought to you by some of the most trusted people in the mushroom community. This is not a common substrate formula, the Signature Substrate is a one of a kind original creation prepared to the highest standards with quality ingredients.
A perfect substrate balances both optimal nutrition and water absorption/delivery. The Signature Substrate does both. Optimal pH ensures fungal mycelia rapidly colonize the substrate, leaving no room for contaminates to take hold. Starting with a sterile culture is absolutely paramount for best results.
Signature Substrate comes pre-sterilized in filter patch bags, loaded to five pounds, and ready for use. To make inoculation as easy as possible, we have included a professional self-healing injection port to ensure a stress free inoculation. The incorporated rye pocket directly under the injection site aids in rapid colonization. Once the rye has colonized, simply mix into the remaining compost to create hundreds of inoculation points and quickly allow the bag contents to fully colonize.
Thanks for choosing the Signature Substrate from Cultivating Concepts. This revolutionary substrate formula features on the highest quality ingredients, prepared with high standards, with true innovation and ingenuity. The Signature Substrate is backed with a 100% contaminate free guarantee.
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Spore Works has never offered a manure based Substrate, but we feel these folks have done it right and we are excited to have them represented in our catalog.
Weekly Special Pricing: As an introductory offer we are knocking 10%-off our standard retail price until Midnight Monday December 17th!
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#7754950 - 12/13/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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How much lc/spores should you use with this? How many quarts are in each bag approximately? Do you have any pictures of the bags fruiting? Thanks.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: synergistic]
#7755707 - 12/13/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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good question... im guessing lc will be required???
Edited by Mastamike1118 (12/13/07 08:23 PM)
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7756304 - 12/13/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope.
I do this with half gallon jars.Multispore inoculation.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: em_bre_O]
#7757527 - 12/14/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use spore syringes on my bags from CC
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#7757768 - 12/14/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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How would you make a casing of this...after the hpoo was colonized?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: SirTripAlot]
#7757982 - 12/14/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like this idea. I supposed you could push/force the colonized mycelium around at first to help get that grain colonized
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: synergistic]
#7758336 - 12/14/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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synergistic said: How much lc/spores should you use with this? How many quarts are in each bag approximately? Do you have any pictures of the bags fruiting? Thanks.
We supply the single bag kits with a 3cc culture, and the four bag kits with a 10cc culture. So anywhere from 2cc to 3cc per bag should be enough to get things going. You inject culture onto the pocket of rye, and allow it to colonize a bit before mixing it with the rest of the manure substrate.
Just like with any bulk or spawn substrate, you can crumble it into a tray once it is colonized and apply a casing. Or you could just cut the excess tog bag material off, say 1-2 inches above the top of the substrate. Then directly apply the casing, using the remaining bottom of the bag as a built in tray.
Here are some great pics from CC of oysters on the Signature Substrate:
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#7758407 - 12/14/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: abesh]
#7761021 - 12/15/07 06:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fruiting can be done right in the bag without cutting it or casing or anything, right?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: themycologist]
#7767418 - 12/16/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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themycologist said: fruiting can be done right in the bag without cutting it or casing or anything, right?
That is my question as well.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Nem]
#7767457 - 12/16/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is what the rye berries are there for. You inject the rye berries with spores or LC, wait for them to colonize, then you mix them in with the rest of the bag. As you know.....you must spawn to the poo mix...you can't do LC or spores directly to it with any level of success. I have read rarely (very) where someone on the Shroomery has claimed they have done it....so I would stick to the status quo.
Actually this is a pretty smart move on Sporeworks part. It also makes it both more convenient and more sterile by the entire process taking place within the spawn bag. When all in the bag is colonized...you can either use the bag to fruit or you can pull it out and case it. The risk of contamination is much lower once mycellium has colonized the entire thing....so casing it holds less risk IMHO.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: themycologist]
#7767493 - 12/16/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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themycologist said: fruiting can be done right in the bag without cutting it or casing or anything, right?
Apparently yes.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Workman]
#7767529 - 12/16/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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My only concern in the ratio of the rye berries spawn to the proprietary mix....seems like it is a small amount of spawn.....perhaps the sponsor has an answer for this concern?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#7767595 - 12/16/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had the same concern actually. I was told that the grain is actually in a deep pocket in the center and not just a thin layer scattered on the surface.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Workman]
#7767726 - 12/16/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Workman said: I had the same concern actually. I was told that the grain is actually in a deep pocket in the center and not just a thin layer scattered on the surface.
Ahhh.......so what appears on the surface (which in reality would be a really poor ratio) is just what's visible? If it goes deep into the center and hits at least 5:1 and preferably 4:1..I am all over it.
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Edited by oysterguy63 (12/16/07 10:22 PM)
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#7768477 - 12/17/07 07:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oysterguy63 said: That is what the rye berries are there for. You inject the rye berries with spores or LC, wait for them to colonize, then you mix them in with the rest of the bag. As you know.....you must spawn to the poo mix...you can't do LC or spores directly to it with any level of success. I have read rarely (very) where someone on the Shroomery has claimed they have done it....so I would stick to the status quo.
Actually this is a pretty smart move on Sporeworks part. It also makes it both more convenient and more sterile by the entire process taking place within the spawn bag. When all in the bag is colonized...you can either use the bag to fruit or you can pull it out and case it. The risk of contamination is much lower once mycellium has colonized the entire thing....so casing it holds less risk IMHO.
While we appreciate the kind words, we should probably give credit where credit is due. The spawn "pocket" idea isn't really all that new.
The idea may even be older than I'm giving credit, but it was MycoBag, now Mycofactory, that combined the idea of using grains inside of autoclave bags as a built in spawn to help colonize other substrates which traditionally don't do well with direct LC injection. Their product (which I don't think is currently avaialble) utilized corn to act as a spawning layer for wooden dowels, thereby allowing end users to produce colonized plug spawn with no sterile culture or transfer work needed.
Our friends at a local gourmet mushroom specialty shop recently utilized this same line of thought when they introduced a supplemented sawdust bag with a built in pocket of rye behind a self-healing injection port. Thus allowing end users to create sawdust fruiting blocks for wood loving mushrooms with direct culture injection, no sterile transfer work required.
Cultivating Concepts (where all credit for the Signature Substrate bag should be placed) has expanded on the idea a bit by placing the pocket on the top and in the middle of the manure based substrate. It is indeed a "scoop" of rye in a "pocket," about the size of a baseball (maybe a little larger). It is certainly enough to generate a good mycelium mass for spawning the remaining manure once colonized. I'm not sure the ratio of grain to manure, but I will check on that for you!
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#7769171 - 12/17/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you...much appreciated. First I had seen done quite like that...looking forward to giving it a shot.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#7769743 - 12/17/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oysterguy63 said: As you know.....you must spawn to the poo mix...you can't do LC or spores directly to it with any level of success. I have read rarely (very) where someone on the Shroomery has claimed they have done it....so I would stick to the status quo.
Actually, the great thing about the manure based substrate by CC is that you CAN used LC or spores directly on it. That's what it was made for. However, without the rye pocket, it required practically an entire 10ml spore syringe. With the rye pocket, the amount of spores needed is cut to 2-3ml - that's the beauty part.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: themycologist]
#7770357 - 12/17/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oysterguy63 said: As you know.....you must spawn to the poo mix...you can't do LC or spores directly to it with any level of success. I have read rarely (very) where someone on the Shroomery has claimed they have done it....so I would stick to the status quo.
Actually, the great thing about the manure based substrate by CC is that you CAN used LC or spores directly on it. That's what it was made for. However, without the rye pocket, it required practically an entire 10ml spore syringe. With the rye pocket, the amount of spores needed is cut to 2-3ml - that's the beauty part.
I have NEVER had any luck with it, so I guess I will just speak for myself.....and I used about 20 ml of LC to five pounds of past H Poo the last time I tried it. From my own experience......not good. I haven't read too many success stories on the message boards either...but I am not an old hand at this either...so I stand corrected. Did not mean to misiform if I did so.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#7771964 - 12/17/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pretty wild to see oysters fruiting from manure based substrates. Amazing really.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7773005 - 12/18/07 07:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea monstermitch! ive tried these bags in the past through cultivating concepts, before they put in the rye pocket and i injected multispore solution and it still worked just great, took about a month to fully colonize and then took off, huge mushrooms, 1st harvest yielded about 45 dry grams i cant say enough good things to say about monstermitch's signature substrate... and im glad hes sellin em at a sponsor so we can talk about em on the board... if anyone is considering these bags but not sure if theyr worth it...believe me, they are, its the ultimate set and forget tek with just about the best substrate around... i just hope sporeworks has enough of these bags to sate my hunger for MM's signature substrate
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7773952 - 12/18/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never said they were oysters.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7774693 - 12/18/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jeremy_Davis said: Pretty wild to see oysters fruiting from manure based substrates. Amazing really.
Nearly every oyster i've grown is on horse manure or compost.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Hotnuts]
#7775591 - 12/18/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow that's cool. I made a half-hearted attempt years ago and got a nice pin cluster in the jar after I forgot about it, but for some reason I just never realized that they can be grown on manure based substrates. When I saw those pictures, it definitely confused me, so thanks for that info.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
#7775864 - 12/18/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Since this substrate bag has the rye in it would it not entail complete sterilization of the substrate with a pc? Which I thought was kinda bad since you lose all the beneficial bacteria from the compost? Anyways great idea that's gotta be the simplest and most efficient way of growing shrooms I have seen to date.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#7776889 - 12/19/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The substrate in the bags is sterile. The beneficial bacteria are helpful for keeping contaminate levels down as the mushroom mycelium colonizes pasturized composts. The pasturization makes the compost more selective for mushroom mycelium than for contaminates. This saves energy and makes the compost easier to handle for large scale mushroom production. With complete sterilization, the benefits of a pasturized substrate are negated and the shelflife of the product is increased.
Sterilization isn't practical on the large scale. I have some papers from the 1960's showing tests using giant drumlike sterilizers for the preparation of materials for button mushrooms. The results were very promising in that uncomposted materials could be used which prevented the loss of substrate mass due to the composting process. But the energy costs and the risks of huge losses due to incomplete sterilization were apparently too high. The colonization process was also difficult to monitor inside the steel drums.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Workman]
#7781836 - 12/20/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow I'm glad I found this!
I have a few questions:
1. How long is the shelf life for these bags?
2. I seen the species that can be grown in the description, can more species be grown then that
3. If I were to inoculate with a spore syringe, how many CC's would it take for each bag? LC seems very complicated to me.
4. Is there a very easy to transfer Mycelium from a rye grain jar to the bags rather then innoculating through spore syringe?
5 What temperature should the bags be set at once inoculated? Its winter here in Canada right now, can I wrap these bags in something to create a warm environment for them?
Thanks so much!
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#7782909 - 12/20/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is this what MonsterMitch has been working on? I'm pretty sure it is but I wanted to ask to make sure.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7784594 - 12/21/07 05:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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felix4life said: If I were to inoculate with a spore syringe, how many CC's would it take for each bag? LC seems very complicated to me.
2cc's of spores per bag is all that is needed
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7785773 - 12/21/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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felix4life said: 1. How long is the shelf life for these bags?
2. I seen the species that can be grown in the description, can more species be grown then that
3. If I were to inoculate with a spore syringe, how many CC's would it take for each bag? LC seems very complicated to me.
4. Is there a very easy to transfer Mycelium from a rye grain jar to the bags rather then inoculating through spore syringe?
5 What temperature should the bags be set at once inoculated? Its winter here in Canada right now, can I wrap these bags in something to create a warm environment for them?
Thanks so much!
1. Shelf-life is pretty much indefinite, as this is a sterilized product. It should be shelf-stable for a few months at least. We haven't really tested it longer than that, but it should last a while.
2. This is a pretty diverse substrate, we list those we offer gourmet cultures for, as well as a handful of others we don't.
3. Since we offer this as a gourmet mushroom grow kit, we only make recommendations based on using our liquid culture syringes as supplied with the kit.
4. You can always do a standard grain transfer into the bag, under a sterile environment. Doesn't make much sense to do this, however, as the built in rye pocket pretty much negates the need to generate spawn outside the bag.
5. Temps depend entirely on the species you are working with, but most subtropicals like it around 80-85F.
Disclaimer regarding international shipping of these bags:
Customers Outside the USA: Shipping sterilized compost or manure may be restricted for certain destination countries. We ship this product as a "Gourmet Mushroom Grow Kit" without any specialized paperwork or certifications, and it is the responsibility of the customer to check importation regulations for suitability of shipment. Spore Works accepts no responsibility for this product when shipped to customers outside the USA and we offer no replacement guarantee if the product is seized or stopped by customs officials. Verify your local regulations and order accordingly.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#7850711 - 01/08/08 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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When incubating....does the poo surrounding the pocket of rye create heat on its own....or should one incubate like a normal grow bag? Just want to make sure I do not dry out the shit.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Crasher]
#7853871 - 01/09/08 02:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I got the bags with the Gourmet mushroom syringes. The rye patch on 1 of the bags is not on top, seems to be way over to the side and not exactly on top of the substrate, is this ok? do I still inoculate 2-3 CCs into the rye patch?
Also regarding sterilisation, I was thinking of using a cup of alcohol and dipping the needles in the cup before innoculating. Is this a good procedure?
Thanks!
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7854079 - 01/09/08 02:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Flame sterilize your needles.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Nibin]
#7854251 - 01/09/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't have an alcohol lamp, would a light be sufficient to flame sterilise?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7889281 - 01/16/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK, I have the gourmet moushroom syringe and bags ready, I need some tips:
1. Do I leave the substrate tightly packed as it is or do I shake it up before innoculating?
2. After inoculation, I will put the bags in a cool room with no light.
When do I break and shake up the Mycelium/substrate? At what point do I start giving the bags light? Is an overhead light/lamp neccesary?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: felix4life]
#7891968 - 01/17/08 07:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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leave the substrate compact for inoculation.
they do NOT need to colonize in dark.
mix the substrate when the rye has fully colonized or the outer substrate is about 20% colonized.
light is needed after full colonization for perfect growth. light does NOT negatively effect colonization in any way. light does NOT cause premature pinning, not possible.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#7892102 - 01/17/08 08:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to raise any controversy about past sponsors, but M.B. who also carries these bags, says you can innocculate with a "spore syringe but its recommended to use a Liquid Culture, minimum 30cc maximum 120cc".
Why are the recommendations so different?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Shroom Empire]
#7896161 - 01/18/08 06:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroom Empire said: Not to raise any controversy about past sponsors, but M.B. who also carries these bags, says you can innocculate with a "spore syringe but its recommended to use a Liquid Culture, minimum 30cc maximum 120cc".
Why are the recommendations so different?
You are very, very wrong.
Mushbox does NOT carry these bags.
NOT even close, they carry some cheap knock-off version, far behind these bags in engineering and technology.
One look at the two could even tell you that.
not even close to the same thing. I should know.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#7897589 - 01/18/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is fucking awesome. Buying one now.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Remanifest]
#7943895 - 01/28/08 03:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i just bought one of these, what is another good strain besides PE to use with this?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#7944882 - 01/28/08 11:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Any cubensis strain will grow on it, none work better than the others on different substrates.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Smushroom]
#7945601 - 01/28/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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some thrive better on different substrates.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#7946499 - 01/28/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i tried 8 of these bags. attempted to fruit invitro. didnt like the results.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Slizz]
#7947501 - 01/28/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Slizz said: i tried 8 of these bags. attempted to fruit invitro. didnt like the results.
Fruiting invitro is entirely strain dependent. For example, PE does awesome when you fruit in the bag, but SA does very poorly. Always check the boards for prior result reports before blindly trying it with a new substrate.
In the future, crumble and case your bags into tubs and you can pretty guarantee results regardless of the strain.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Wronguy]
#7976910 - 02/04/08 08:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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can these bags be spawned to uncolonized manure, coir, etc? if so, at what ratio? can this be done after the first flush (in-vitro) or only before fruiting has occured? is rehydration necessary if it is possible to spawn after first flush?
thanks!
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: themycologist]
#7977497 - 02/04/08 12:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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They can be used as spawn for pasturized manure and coir. A minimal spawn rate of 10% by volume will usually work but 20%+ is better.
The subtrate could be used as spawn after a first flush (invitro only) as long as it was perfectly clean up to the time of opening the bag. I would expect some loss of vigor and spawn quality after flushing so a higher spawn rate would be recommended to compensate.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#8013364 - 02/12/08 01:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay I know these bags are 5 lb bags, but how much volume are they? Or the dimensions of the bag? I am just wondering so I can determine how many I need for a monotub.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Nem]
#8017022 - 02/13/08 10:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What size is your monotub? Depending on the size, I have used anywhere from 3-5 bags per tub. I have used a 33 gallon monotub with 5 and a Stack-N-View with 3. I would recommend a minimum of 3.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Wronguy]
#8017082 - 02/13/08 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use a couple different tubs, I am just deciding on how I want to use them, which is why I want to know how much volume they are.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Nem]
#8017229 - 02/13/08 11:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i believe they are about 18 cups or 4.5 quarts or 260 cubic inches.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: themycologist]
#8025332 - 02/14/08 11:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so for an 18 gallon monotub I should used 3 or 4 of these guys?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8025605 - 02/15/08 01:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so sorry.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Crasher]
#8026685 - 02/15/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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He's asking for product support, not how to cultivate mushrooms. The question is a fair one and completely acceptable for this forum.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Wronguy]
#8026714 - 02/15/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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He's asking for product support, not how to cultivate mushrooms. The question is a fair one and completely acceptable for this forum.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Wronguy]
#8026752 - 02/15/08 11:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mods to the rescue...
Perhaps Wronguy has an answer for me?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8034697 - 02/17/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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3 should be just right. 4 will be too much for an 18 gallon, too deep.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8035010 - 02/17/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i shot up my poo bag like 6 days ago and i have some healthy lookin' mycelium. i'm pretty excited about it
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8035364 - 02/17/08 08:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#8042209 - 02/19/08 10:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome bud , Sporeworks the best so far
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Lawrence]
#8046786 - 02/20/08 11:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so i inoculate one bag with 2cc's of spore solution and set aside in a closet in a 80-85 degree temp. then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
once it starts to pin do i still leave the bag in a 80-85 temp giving the bag 12/12 light?
how many flushes is this bag good for?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8047968 - 02/20/08 03:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ApeBaboon said: so i inoculate one bag with 2cc's of spore solution and set aside in a closet in a 80-85 degree temp. then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
once it starts to pin do i still leave the bag in a 80-85 temp giving the bag 12/12 light?
how many flushes is this bag good for?
that will bring you contamination with the quickness. Substrate bags are NEVER, EVER to be incubated. not under any circumstances. in fact, you should take steps to keep them cool while colonizing, like setting them on a wire shelf and not letting the room they're in go above 75 degrees.
best bet is a room that's about 70 degrees and the bags sitting on wire shelving so air can circulate around them.
you can use light while colonizing too, light has zero effect on colonization and in no way will cause early pinning, that's a myth.
the easier you make it, the better your chances for success.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8048219 - 02/20/08 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ApeBaboon said: so i inoculate one bag with 2cc's of spore solution and set aside in a closet in a 80-85 degree temp. then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
once it starts to pin do i still leave the bag in a 80-85 temp giving the bag 12/12 light?
how many flushes is this bag good for?
that will bring you contamination with the quickness. Substrate bags are NEVER, EVER to be incubated. not under any circumstances. in fact, you should take steps to keep them cool while colonizing, like setting them on a wire shelf and not letting the room they're in go above 75 degrees.
best bet is a room that's about 70 degrees and the bags sitting on wire shelving so air can circulate around them.
you can use light while colonizing too, light has zero effect on colonization and in no way will cause early pinning, that's a myth.
the easier you make it, the better your chances for success.
I'm not understanding why you say having the spawn bag "in a closet in a 80-85 degree temp" will cause contamination. I keep my house at 80 at all times. (And the Spawn Bag colonized fine)
If the bag is properly made, a few degrees shouldn't really make that much of a difference. Although, it may hinder growth.
What is your reasoning for the contam statement?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Shroom Empire]
#8048942 - 02/20/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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for one, it's not a spawn bag. there's a bulk substrate in the bag, not spawn.
for two, anyone who's cared to notice the temps of these bags while colonizing will tell you they will run surface temps easily 15 degrees above the ambient air temp, so you can guess what the inner core temps would be.
having inner core temps exceed 86 is in no way beneficial. it dramatically slows mycelial growth and dramatically increases the chances for bacterial bloom, fermentation and other problems.
so knowing that the inner core temps can very easily be at least 15 degrees higher than ambient air temps... I'm sure you're smart enough to see where this is going.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the bag being properly made. Here, read the post below and others on the topic...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7576880#7576880
I've colonized thousands of these bags under every circumstance you could reasonably do so in. no exaggeration at all. I think I understand a bit about how they work....
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8049502 - 02/20/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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ApeBaboon said: then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
my bag is about 25% colonized, i read somewhere to let the rye berries completely colonize, and then mix. is this right?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8050664 - 02/21/08 07:09 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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monstermitch said: for one, it's not a spawn bag. there's a bulk substrate in the bag, not spawn.
for two, anyone who's cared to notice the temps of these bags while colonizing will tell you they will run surface temps easily 15 degrees above the ambient air temp, so you can guess what the inner core temps would be.
having inner core temps exceed 86 is in no way beneficial. it dramatically slows mycelial growth and dramatically increases the chances for bacterial bloom, fermentation and other problems.
so knowing that the inner core temps can very easily be at least 15 degrees higher than ambient air temps... I'm sure you're smart enough to see where this is going.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the bag being properly made. Here, read the post below and others on the topic...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7576880#7576880
I've colonized thousands of these bags under every circumstance you could reasonably do so in. no exaggeration at all. I think I understand a bit about how they work....
Well, I definately will not disagree with you mitch, you make the damn things. I stand humbly corrected.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
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ApeBaboon said: then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
my bag is about 25% colonized, i read somewhere to let the rye berries completely colonize, and then mix. is this right?
nah, you can mix now. as long as there is enough colonized substrate you're good to go. mix well.
after mixing is when the bags really start to heat up, so keep note of that and keep them spaced out if you have more than one.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8052589 - 02/21/08 04:27 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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thanks MM, i'm going to mix now
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#8056827 - 02/22/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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bmiles, shoot me a pm. i wanted to ask you a few things about your bags.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8057919 - 02/22/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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no thanks.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#8163863 - 03/18/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I am experimenting with these bags and I think they are great even though 2 of the 4 failed due to my own mistakes (too many CCs of spores and high temp).
2 are showing good progress, I mixed up the Rye in pretty well and the mushrooms are also growing on the sides of the bags. They don't have any room on the sides, should I do anything?
Also when innoculating, should I inoculate deep underneath the rye?
Also when is it right to pick the shrooms? And do I have to submerge the remaining hunk of mass into water and then back into the bag for another round of growth (If so how many rounds can I typically get?)?
Thanks to MonsterMitch and Sporeworks, you guys rock! I just ordered more!
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If you are fruiting in the bag just cut the top and let them fruit invitro. Just let them grow fully and then pick them.
No, you want to only inoculate the rye. The poo usually won't colonize well when innoc'ed with spores.
You want to harvest them right before the veil breaks. Do a search to find pics. It will be harder to tale while they are in the bag but if you have some on top just wait for them to start opening up and pick everything.
BTW, most of these questions would have been better ask in the cultivation forum and not in this thread since they aren't directed at the vendor. (Vendors can't really comment on grow ops much.)
Dunking is up to you. I don't know how well straight poo does when dunked. I doubt it absorbs much water. I wouldn't bother with dunking.
With uncased poo I wouldn't expect more than 2 flushes but you will still probably get a third with very few fruits. Leave it a week or two after that, you could always get 4-5 but not likely.
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I used 3-4 CCs and temp was above 75 degrees. Thanks for the advice on light, will keep it in mind!
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thanks for the tape idea. duc tape works perfectly. i dont think i will dunk, i will just grow right in the bag. does anyone know how many flushes i can get out of these bags?
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thanks for the tape idea. duc tape works perfectly. i dont think i will dunk, i will just grow right in the bag. does anyone know how many flushes i can get out of these bags?
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Hi, I used to be a regular here years ago with a different name.
Anyway, after a few years of not growing mushrooms, I decided to get back into it and chose to get some of these substrate bags as an easy, quick way to get some crops going again.
Sporeworks did a great job at getting out my order quickly. However, the bags look awfully dry.
On March 24, I inoculated one bag with 7cc spore solution. Today, there's only a tiny bit of germination. Again, I think the whole thing looks way too dry, but hopefully these will work.
I'll keep everyone updated on how these bags work.
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Re: felix [Re: Sitar]
#8214235 - 03/30/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The substrate is not as dry as it looks. I guarantee you that if you took a handful and squeezed it you'd get some water from it. The best substrates have moisture contained within the ingredients, not sitting at the bottom of the bag or showing signs of excessive condensation.
As far as the amount of germination is concerned, if you inoculated the bag into the rye patch, not on the surface, but into the rye patch, you will have a lot more growth than you can see. This is the reason why liquid cultures are the recommended source for inoculation. You have to allow the rye patch to colonize prior to mixing or you may end up slowing things down.
In the future, I highly recommend preparing a liquid culture and using it to inoculate your substrate.
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Re: felix [Re: Wronguy]
#8221133 - 03/31/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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OK, that first bag is looking great today. There's a significant amount of germination now. A second bag inoculated on the 28th already has some good germination as well, so it looks as though these bags may be a success.
I'm taking some pictures as things go along, so I may post those as I see fit and things progress.
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Well... It looks like these bags are all germinating and colonizing wonderfully. It appears as though some spores have actually germinated on the manure itself, so that's cool.
I'm disappointed that no one else has posted any real stories about using these so far, and certainly no pictures yet, so I guess I'll have to be the one to really tell the story of how well these bags work.
I will keep you all updated with how things turn out, and I'll provide more details about everything once there's something to really show.
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Re: felix [Re: Sitar]
#8231582 - 04/02/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The only story I have with these bags is that I got contam after two weeks.
I will order a few more in the future though, it is really a great idea and I think they will work out great if you do it right (which i thought I did.)
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Re: felix [Re: bmiles]
#8233031 - 04/03/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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what sort of contams did you get?
what temp are you all keeping your bags at?
what spores did you decide to go with?
are you introducing any sort of light?
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have you mixed yet? how far along are you? how many bags?
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does anyone keep their bags between 75 and 78 degrees?
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I'm ordering mine tomorrow.
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I got some green mold.
I used equador.
Temperature was room temp, you are NOT supposed to incubate these bags.
Yes there was some indirect light from a window.
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Re: felix [Re: bmiles]
#8240208 - 04/04/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I mixed the first bag last night, as it had at least 60% of the rye colonized already and it's already showing signs of recovery, so that's great.
A second bag inoculated on the 28th is ready to be mixed as well, although I will wait until tomorrow to do it.
Mine have been kept at around 72 to 75 degrees F. Everything seems to be coming along fine.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: oysterguy63]
#8249311 - 04/07/08 01:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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do shroomery members get a sporeworks discount?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: thedudenj]
#8249761 - 04/07/08 08:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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good question
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8250125 - 04/07/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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We should. All the positive talk we generate about that place, granted they deserve it, but I think there should be a discount if there isn't already.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8250137 - 04/07/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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like............. 75% off
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8250154 - 04/07/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think we do have one still no reply eh
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: thedudenj]
#8250162 - 04/07/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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they are a busy co.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#8253522 - 04/07/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi All,
This is a review of my experience with sporeworks.
Ordered four 5lb spawn bags of manure based substrate with rye berries, self healing inoculation port and filter patch.
We'll start with the bad, and that is that the bags did not come in a protective plastice wrapping, they were packed loose in one large shipping box. The peanuts in the box I doubt are sterile and as such each bag should be sealed or all bags together - there needs to be a barrier between the rest of the world and the bags.
Also my order was submitted wrong, not sure if it was my fault or the system's but had to call to get it corrected. When corrected it was not completely corrected and I received the wrong mushroom culture. After a quick phone call to sporeworks the mistake was corrected and I was immediately mailed the correct variety.
Now for the good. Shipping was lightning fast, total turn around time is unknown but very short, I'm very pleased. The replacement culture was shipped very fast as well. Customer support was very friendly and very inclined to help.
Overall 8 - Very good - Would do business with them again, but not before they agree to seal each spawn bag inside another plastic bag or wrapping. If they are uninclined to do so I would switch over to mushbox instead.
Thanks, will update this post when/if bags have colonized.
Citrus
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: CitrusHigh]
#8253541 - 04/07/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dude, the inside is all that matters, not the outside of the bags. The only thing you should do is take an alcohol wipe and clean the injection port, then you're good to go
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
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I disagree, I think as much precaution as is conveniently practical should be implemented. Do you know how easy it is for particles to pass through a filter patch? There's gaping holes in the thing, contextually speaking of course.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: CitrusHigh]
#8253753 - 04/07/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is absolutely no need for the outside of the bag to be sterile, nor the peanuts it is shipped with. Like dill said, just clean the injection port.
This is ridiculous.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#8253761 - 04/07/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, the filter patch was design for filtering, not just air exchange.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8253790 - 04/07/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, gaping was too strong, but just the same every time the bag is handled air is going to be constantly pumping in and out, so reduced exposure to unsterile air is a good thing.
And I'm not saying outside of bag needs to be sterilized, that wouldn't make any sense except in the case of the filter patch and the injector site. Yes that would be rediculous.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: CitrusHigh]
#8253824 - 04/07/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The filter filters out the contaminates in the air.
I'll try to find you a link if you like, (see mood) <----
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8253837 - 04/07/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end. -Icelander- I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW! ~dill705~
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: CitrusHigh]
#8253855 - 04/07/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, they're 100% failsafe?
And why am I being laughed at, seems kind of disrespectful when I'm trying to have an adult discussion, but suit yourself.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: CitrusHigh]
#8253865 - 04/07/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No ones laughing at you, he's laughing becuase of how high I am. It is pretty funny to tell you the truth. I seriously haven't been this high since high school.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: CitrusHigh]
#8253867 - 04/07/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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im not laughing at you. im laughing at the shit dill says. to be honest, im not even smart enough to keep up with what you all are talking about.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8253873 - 04/07/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you don't even own a substrate bag, why are you even commenting in this thread?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
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so now i dont own one?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
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Ok, I stand corrected, I found your post about it earlier in this thread.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
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I believe he does sir, at least that's what was implied to me earlier this evening.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
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You didn't even post on that page...
Quote:
bmiles said: i shot up my poo bag like 6 days ago and i have some healthy lookin' mycelium. i'm pretty excited about it
How does that make me a dick, dick?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
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bmiles, shoot me a pm. i wanted to ask you a few things about your bags.
blimes said:Quote:
no thanks.
Sounds kinda dickish, but...
Let's get back on fucking topic. Thank you
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
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That wasn't on that page, but getting back on topic would be nice.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#8254008 - 04/08/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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WTF mate?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8254012 - 04/08/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think I have more/less posts per page displayed then.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#8254615 - 04/08/08 08:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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time to get back on subject with the bags.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8254655 - 04/08/08 08:37 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enough talk about who's a dick or not please. This thread is about Cultivating Concepts' Signature Substrate bags. Please stay on topic.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Wronguy]
#8254696 - 04/08/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Wronguy said:
Enough talk about who's a dick
exactly!~
and please stop talking about cultivating Cubensis in this thread...or I'll close it.
if you wanna talk about cultivation of active species go do that in the Mush Cult...
not here in the Vendor/Sponsor forum.
thank you!~
tc
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Roadkill]
#8254737 - 04/08/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm having great results with my bag. Ive used 2-3 diff types of bags and these blow them all out of the water.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8254786 - 04/08/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The two bags I mixed up the other day are doing awesome! They're now both about 30% colonized already and coming along fast.
So it was about one week from inoculation to mixing, and just a few days to get significant colonization. They'll be 50% colonized in maybe another day or so. These will be done within a week, I'm guessing.
Bottom line: These bags rock so far.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Sitar]
#8254796 - 04/08/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dude, mine arent moving along that fast.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts *DELETED* [Re: dill705]
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: acommunistspy]
#8257858 - 04/08/08 10:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i cant get my bags down to 74. today i came home and they were at 82 fucking degrees. how bad is that?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8258570 - 04/09/08 03:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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not good. Was the fan on? You better keep that fan on or your gonna get burnt on this one too.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8262308 - 04/09/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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My room has been pretty hot the last few days (around 78 F most of the time), and they're still doing great. They're colonizing REALLY fast, and most of the growth is clearly rhizomorphic.
I was way off when I initially said that the bags look dry. There's plenty of moisture in the bags that I can clearly see now that they're almost halfway colonized.
I'll have to create another thread somewhere else specifically about my bags and post pictures of them as they progress.
I reiterate: These bags rock.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Sitar]
#8263700 - 04/10/08 09:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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the cult form would be perfect, heh heh
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts *DELETED* [Re: ApeBaboon]
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: shroomnub01]
#8267165 - 04/10/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Uhhh, the temp needs to be 70+ until colonization takes off and starts producing it's own heat. The bag should retain the right moisture as long as necessary.
I would let the bags get a little warmer and wait 2 weeks and go from there.
-------------------- My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end. -Icelander- I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW! ~dill705~
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: shroomnub01]
#8267174 - 04/10/08 11:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats your mistake, you should have ordered from spore works. don't get me wrong RS has great, great prices but SW seems to always have better quality, IMO.
what spore did you use. i know that some move around faster then others.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: shroomnub01]
#8267207 - 04/10/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
shroomnub01 said: Unfortunately the bag my friend ordered isn't doing as well as ya'lls!
He got some spores from Ralphster's Leap Year special and inoculated using a glovebox 2 weeks ago, and there's no sign of anything except the bag contents (seemingly) starting to loose moisture/dry out.
There's currently no sign of contams...or mycelium. I'm worried if it takes any longer, the bag won't have enough moisture for colonization
6ccs of a fresh Ralphster's multispore syringe was used. It was squirted directly on top of the rye patch visible from the top. The bag is fully inflated (top standing up, filter clean and facing outwards). The temp in his room stays between 65 and 75 (max)...Average temp has been 68 since the inoculation and there is no heater/etc/incubation taking place.
When is the cutoff point for when I should stop waiting and re-inoculate?
How long can the bags (once the bag is unrolled) retain proper moisture?
That because spores are intended for microscopy and taxonomy purposes only.
There are rules for a reason....
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Brainiac]
#8267359 - 04/11/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Uh, show me where he says he used spores that grow psilocyn containing mycelium?
Any other types of mushrooms are quite legal to germinate and grow.
-------------------- My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end. -Icelander- I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW! ~dill705~
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8267500 - 04/11/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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dill705 said:
Uh, show me where he says he used spores that grow psilocyn containing mycelium?
actually he did in a round about way...
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6ccs of a fresh Ralphster's multispore syringe was used.
everyone that's anyone knows that Ralph only sells exotics.
That being said...
I already asked everyone to stop asking Cultivation questions in this thread.
If you need Cultivation help or have Cultivation questions about these bags...
either ask in the Mush Cult forum, the Gourmet and Medicinal Mushroom forum, or pm Wronguy or MonsterMitch and ask them for help.
No more growing questions...guys and gals!~
tc
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Roadkill]
#8267534 - 04/11/08 12:55 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, ya got me, I didn't realize Ralph didn't have my back.
I'll be ordering 4 of these right quick. Most people sound like they're having success.
-------------------- My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end. -Icelander- I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW! ~dill705~
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8268695 - 04/11/08 09:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here's a quick update:
The mycelium is TEARING through the substrate in these bags. It's just aggressively ripping through it and it's only taken about a week to get 50% or more colonized after mixing. It won't be long until they're done.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Sitar]
#8270083 - 04/11/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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No more posting about growth in the thread.
Perhaps a new thread should be started with the important info and a disclaimer about growing stuff.
-------------------- My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end. -Icelander- I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW! ~dill705~
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8271006 - 04/11/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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great idea and you should be the one to start it. ready........ GO
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Roadkill]
#8271075 - 04/11/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Roadkill said:
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dill705 said:
Uh, show me where he says he used spores that grow psilocyn containing mycelium?
actually he did in a round about way...
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6ccs of a fresh Ralphster's multispore syringe was used.
everyone that's anyone knows that Ralph only sells exotics.
That being said...
I already asked everyone to stop asking Cultivation questions in this thread.
If you need Cultivation help or have Cultivation questions about these bags...
either ask in the Mush Cult forum, the Gourmet and Medicinal Mushroom forum, or pm Wronguy or MonsterMitch and ask them for help.
No more growing questions...guys and gals!~
tc
I removed my post since it's obviously causing issues.
But honestly, if you were trying to promote any serious type of plausible deniability about this thread. then the person who _created_ this product wouldn't be allowed to link graphs and charts about "ideal" "cultivation" temperatures for 2 exotic strains a few paws into the thread, heh.
/poof
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: shroomnub01]
#8271087 - 04/11/08 07:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8271762 - 04/11/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been meaning to start a new thread about my bags, so sorry if anyone's bothered by my noting the progress with them here. I'll get around to a new thread soon.
Anyway, I've never once mentioned the type of mushrooms being grown in these, so I've never crossed any of the lines here in that regard, I hope.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Sitar]
#8416208 - 05/18/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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how big is the difference in yield when fruiting out of the bag verus casing? and risk of contam wise
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#8417808 - 05/18/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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when are these going to be in stock again?
-------------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein "Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe ~~~*Dosis sola facit venenum*~~~ *Check my profile to listen to my music*
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Locus]
#8420166 - 05/19/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Locus said: when are these going to be in stock again?
yeah, my friend was about to order some this week
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: rev 766]
#8421222 - 05/19/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah man, same with me
-------------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein "Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe ~~~*Dosis sola facit venenum*~~~ *Check my profile to listen to my music*
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Locus]
#8422440 - 05/19/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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no one answered my question
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: thedudenj]
#8422575 - 05/19/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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me neither, I WANT SOME BAGS!!!!
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: rev 766]
#8422888 - 05/20/08 01:14 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea well me neither... either... !! I want some bags too!!
-------------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein "Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe ~~~*Dosis sola facit venenum*~~~ *Check my profile to listen to my music*
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Locus]
#8423492 - 05/20/08 09:17 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Regarding Bag Availability:
The Signature Substrate bags are on hiatus, and may not return for some time.
Our good friends at Everything Mushrooms are currently working and testing their own manure based formulation, which while it may not be the exact same thing as the Signature Substrate, it will be close and should do a bang up job. Trust us, we wouldn't rush to sell anything that isn't well researched, tested, and proven.
We don't know what form the new manure formula bags will take... they may be 3lb bags, they may be 5-6lb bags. We do know that they will be designed around the rye pocket injection system, as this has proven well in the EM Sawdust/Rye Pocket bags, and then by extension in the Signature Substrate bags from CC.
We're hoping the new bags will be ready sometime in the next 6-8 weeks, but it could take longer than that. They will be worth waiting for.
In the meantime, be sure to check out the White Millet and Winter Wheat 3lb spawn starter kit bags. We are hoping to have 3lb Rye Berry bags back in stock in the next week, but that depends on the supply of rye...
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#8423838 - 05/20/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Man, I'm glad I stocked up on these bags before they were all gone. They really rock. My oysters look fantastic and are absolutely delicious.
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