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Shroom Empire
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: dill705]
#8037340 - 02/18/08 10:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lawrence
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: psilocyber]
#8042209 - 02/19/08 10:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome bud , Sporeworks the best so far
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ApeBaboon
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Lawrence]
#8046786 - 02/20/08 11:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so i inoculate one bag with 2cc's of spore solution and set aside in a closet in a 80-85 degree temp. then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
once it starts to pin do i still leave the bag in a 80-85 temp giving the bag 12/12 light?
how many flushes is this bag good for?
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monstermitch
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8047968 - 02/20/08 03:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ApeBaboon said: so i inoculate one bag with 2cc's of spore solution and set aside in a closet in a 80-85 degree temp. then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
once it starts to pin do i still leave the bag in a 80-85 temp giving the bag 12/12 light?
how many flushes is this bag good for?
that will bring you contamination with the quickness. Substrate bags are NEVER, EVER to be incubated. not under any circumstances. in fact, you should take steps to keep them cool while colonizing, like setting them on a wire shelf and not letting the room they're in go above 75 degrees.
best bet is a room that's about 70 degrees and the bags sitting on wire shelving so air can circulate around them.
you can use light while colonizing too, light has zero effect on colonization and in no way will cause early pinning, that's a myth.
the easier you make it, the better your chances for success.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8048219 - 02/20/08 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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monstermitch said:
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ApeBaboon said: so i inoculate one bag with 2cc's of spore solution and set aside in a closet in a 80-85 degree temp. then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
once it starts to pin do i still leave the bag in a 80-85 temp giving the bag 12/12 light?
how many flushes is this bag good for?
that will bring you contamination with the quickness. Substrate bags are NEVER, EVER to be incubated. not under any circumstances. in fact, you should take steps to keep them cool while colonizing, like setting them on a wire shelf and not letting the room they're in go above 75 degrees.
best bet is a room that's about 70 degrees and the bags sitting on wire shelving so air can circulate around them.
you can use light while colonizing too, light has zero effect on colonization and in no way will cause early pinning, that's a myth.
the easier you make it, the better your chances for success.
I'm not understanding why you say having the spawn bag "in a closet in a 80-85 degree temp" will cause contamination. I keep my house at 80 at all times. (And the Spawn Bag colonized fine)
If the bag is properly made, a few degrees shouldn't really make that much of a difference. Although, it may hinder growth.
What is your reasoning for the contam statement?
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monstermitch
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: Shroom Empire]
#8048942 - 02/20/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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for one, it's not a spawn bag. there's a bulk substrate in the bag, not spawn.
for two, anyone who's cared to notice the temps of these bags while colonizing will tell you they will run surface temps easily 15 degrees above the ambient air temp, so you can guess what the inner core temps would be.
having inner core temps exceed 86 is in no way beneficial. it dramatically slows mycelial growth and dramatically increases the chances for bacterial bloom, fermentation and other problems.
so knowing that the inner core temps can very easily be at least 15 degrees higher than ambient air temps... I'm sure you're smart enough to see where this is going.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the bag being properly made. Here, read the post below and others on the topic...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7576880#7576880
I've colonized thousands of these bags under every circumstance you could reasonably do so in. no exaggeration at all. I think I understand a bit about how they work....
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8049502 - 02/20/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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ApeBaboon said: then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
my bag is about 25% colonized, i read somewhere to let the rye berries completely colonize, and then mix. is this right?
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8050664 - 02/21/08 07:09 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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monstermitch said: for one, it's not a spawn bag. there's a bulk substrate in the bag, not spawn.
for two, anyone who's cared to notice the temps of these bags while colonizing will tell you they will run surface temps easily 15 degrees above the ambient air temp, so you can guess what the inner core temps would be.
having inner core temps exceed 86 is in no way beneficial. it dramatically slows mycelial growth and dramatically increases the chances for bacterial bloom, fermentation and other problems.
so knowing that the inner core temps can very easily be at least 15 degrees higher than ambient air temps... I'm sure you're smart enough to see where this is going.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the bag being properly made. Here, read the post below and others on the topic...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7576880#7576880
I've colonized thousands of these bags under every circumstance you could reasonably do so in. no exaggeration at all. I think I understand a bit about how they work....
Well, I definately will not disagree with you mitch, you make the damn things. I stand humbly corrected.
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ApeBaboon
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8051079 - 02/21/08 09:24 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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monstermitch
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#8051140 - 02/21/08 09:41 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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bmiles said:
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ApeBaboon said: then wait until its about 20% colonized with myc and mix up the bag?
my bag is about 25% colonized, i read somewhere to let the rye berries completely colonize, and then mix. is this right?
nah, you can mix now. as long as there is enough colonized substrate you're good to go. mix well.
after mixing is when the bags really start to heat up, so keep note of that and keep them spaced out if you have more than one.
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and I'm not saying that the bags can't make it in an 80 degree room, it's just not ideal. I like to give ideal advice to give folks the best chance at success. working with these substrate bags is far different than working with spawn and pasteurized substrate.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: monstermitch]
#8052589 - 02/21/08 04:27 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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thanks MM, i'm going to mix now
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ApeBaboon
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#8056827 - 02/22/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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bmiles, shoot me a pm. i wanted to ask you a few things about your bags.
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bmiles
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8057919 - 02/22/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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no thanks.
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Re: Sporeworks: New manure based Signature Substrate bags from Cultivating Concepts [Re: bmiles]
#8163863 - 03/18/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I am experimenting with these bags and I think they are great even though 2 of the 4 failed due to my own mistakes (too many CCs of spores and high temp).
2 are showing good progress, I mixed up the Rye in pretty well and the mushrooms are also growing on the sides of the bags. They don't have any room on the sides, should I do anything?
Also when innoculating, should I inoculate deep underneath the rye?
Also when is it right to pick the shrooms? And do I have to submerge the remaining hunk of mass into water and then back into the bag for another round of growth (If so how many rounds can I typically get?)?
Thanks to MonsterMitch and Sporeworks, you guys rock! I just ordered more!
Edited by felix4life (03/18/08 08:11 PM)
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Smushroom
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If you are fruiting in the bag just cut the top and let them fruit invitro. Just let them grow fully and then pick them.
No, you want to only inoculate the rye. The poo usually won't colonize well when innoc'ed with spores.
You want to harvest them right before the veil breaks. Do a search to find pics. It will be harder to tale while they are in the bag but if you have some on top just wait for them to start opening up and pick everything.
BTW, most of these questions would have been better ask in the cultivation forum and not in this thread since they aren't directed at the vendor. (Vendors can't really comment on grow ops much.)
Dunking is up to you. I don't know how well straight poo does when dunked. I doubt it absorbs much water. I wouldn't bother with dunking.
With uncased poo I wouldn't expect more than 2 flushes but you will still probably get a third with very few fruits. Leave it a week or two after that, you could always get 4-5 but not likely.
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Re: felix *DELETED* [Re: Smushroom]
#8168777 - 03/19/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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felix4life
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I used 3-4 CCs and temp was above 75 degrees. Thanks for the advice on light, will keep it in mind!
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ApeBaboon
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thanks for the tape idea. duc tape works perfectly. i dont think i will dunk, i will just grow right in the bag. does anyone know how many flushes i can get out of these bags?
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ApeBaboon
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thanks for the tape idea. duc tape works perfectly. i dont think i will dunk, i will just grow right in the bag. does anyone know how many flushes i can get out of these bags?
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Re: felix *DELETED* [Re: ApeBaboon]
#8193380 - 03/25/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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