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Whats up everyone.
I met this girl a few weeks ago and began talking to her, getting to know her a little better. We began talking about religion and she said she doesnt believe in god or anything. doesnt believe in any form of satan, and thinks nothing really happens when/after we die.
i insisted that there must be something she believes in and she said no.
she was brought up that way i guess, but i dont believe anyone can really go through life not believing in anything.
what do you guys think about people like her?
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
#7750115 - 12/12/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That she's honest.
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
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i insisted that there must be something
Stubborness is evidence of God and life-after-death?
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I thought you knew that by now.
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well yeah, i figured that. but i kind of felt like she was a little close minded in that sense. like she hasnt had any significant life,changing experiences or anything that might suggest there is a higher power involved.
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
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experiences don't suggest things to us, it is only humans who suggest things to themselves and others
could you imagine if you were watching TV and not only did you have the commercials suggesting you to buy toothpaste, but the experience itself of watching the commercial was telling you to buy toothpaste? that experience of having that experience would then suggest that you buy toothpaste, and on and on.. maybe that's how we construct reality, we interpret our experiences as conforming to a certain belief structure and it becomes an infinite affirmation
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
#7750140 - 12/12/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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people like her are RIGHT
and its ATHEISTS not ATHIESTS
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
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iwasaClown said: well yeah, i figured that. but i kind of felt like she was a little close minded in that sense. like she hasnt had any significant life,changing experiences or anything that might suggest there is a higher power involved.
Yeah, it is possible that she had such experiences. Now tell me, isn't there a leap of logic from that to believing that because of those experiences there's a god?
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
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We began talking about religion and she said she doesnt believe in god or anything. doesnt believe in any form of satan, and thinks nothing really happens when/after we die.
That is a belief. But other than not being honest with herself about having no beliefs, I don't see anything particularly wrong with her position. When it comes to the nature of reality, we're all just guessing. What bothers me is when people feel so sure of themselves that they feel entitled to put down any conflicting view of reality instead of giving it an honest examination.
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Re: Athiests. [Re: Atheist]
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Atheist said: people like her are RIGHT
and its ATHEISTS not ATHIESTS
And how do you KNOW that atheists are right?
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haha oh man. yeah i knew i probably spelled it the wrong way.
well, to each his own.
shes kind of youg, so maybe she doesnt know what she really believes in yet.
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because i grew up catholic and WAS catholic for 18 years
the day i realized god didnt exist i felt so stupid for not seeing it earlier
its just a word, an idea. they took the idea of 'gods' and made 'God' the all mighty being
its a bunch of bullshit, none of them exist. thats why i KNOW atheists are right, even more than agnostics.
atheists SAY god does not exist because they know it is totally ridiculous
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Re: Athiests. [Re: Atheist]
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Saying as a certainty that god doesn't exist is as ridiculous as saying that god exists. There's no proof for any of those statements.
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Im not putting down or not reguarding anyone elses beliefs or ideas.
the conversation wasnt too in depth to begin with. i was just kind of doubting that she really doesnt believe in anything. i didnt get to it, but i wanted to ask her if she believed in love, or believed in herself.
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do you believe in god? and if you do, which one?
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Re: Athiests. [Re: Atheist]
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Read my post again. Where exactly did I express myself in such a manner that made you understand that I believe in god(s)?
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i guess it also depends on what your own definition of god is.
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Re: Athiests. [Re: Atheist]
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Atheist said: its a bunch of bullshit, none of them exist. thats why i KNOW atheists are right, even more than agnostics.
Sounds like another true believer to me.
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Re: Athiests. [Re: Atheist]
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Atheist said: because i grew up catholic and WAS catholic for 18 years
the day i realized god didnt exist i felt so stupid for not seeing it earlier
its just a word, an idea. they took the idea of 'gods' and made 'God' the all mighty being
its a bunch of bullshit, none of them exist. thats why i KNOW atheists are right, even more than agnostics.
atheists SAY god does not exist because they know it is totally ridiculous
Who is this "they" you speak of that took the idea of "gods" (and which "gods"?) and made "God"??
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I feel the way you're speaking as if you KNOW is.
Catholicism isn't something I'd trust though just throwing that out there
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
#7750259 - 12/12/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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what is so crazy about not believing in old Mythical Man in the Sky stories? Atheism is the religion most backed by the evidence at hand, I'll have you know 
If you really think it's that strange, just imagine a life in which you were not programmed or taught to believe in supernatural forces or entities, and that life ended with death. Wouldn't it sound strange to you if someone talked to you about a God that came to Earth and multiplied fishes or cured the dead? I don't mean to nitpick on Christianity, but the Bible is so obviously full of old wive's tales and stories that are credited to earlier civilizations and religions that I don't think anyone in their right mind would willingly accept the world view that is laid therein without the fear of hellfire to compel them.
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well, like you said, it was wired into her to belive that way. If this is the method of thinking than impossible things will happen which is impossible in it's own. Only possible things happen if someone deems an occurence impossible than it is evident that their belief structure is flawed in some way. In my opinion having no foundation for any belief of the truth to occur is better than having a flawed concept of the way things work and then have to tear the whole structure down (patches don't work) when the person comes to a realization of the fact that all of their past experiences were influenced by fallacy if the truth is not present in their life. Try to get her intersted in this scientific law known as the law of attraction. your intent would be to help her achieve a higher conept of the truth, and this is the way paved for the non-religious. If she does become interested then send her to psitek.net and get her highly interested in the book The Master Key System. This in my mind is the first necesarry tool to growing more truth in your life because the way the text is arranged, any english-speaking person can comprehend and apply it to their own life. Even if you are not interested in cultivating a relationship, the best thing a person can do for another person is inspire a creative thought that builds with momentum
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MushroomTrip said: Read my post again. Where exactly did I express myself in such a manner that made you understand that I believe in god(s)?
i'm just asking you.
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
#7750276 - 12/12/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deciding NOT to believe in God, Satan & the afterlife is no more strange or unfounded than deciding TO believe. It is more common to have religious beliefs, certainly, but this does not make it more accurate.
As to whether or not it is possible to have NO beliefs about anything at all...I don't think so. Perhaps if you were in a persistent vegetative state, you would not be capable of believing anything. But if you can think, you will have beliefs. Our perception relies upon beliefs, our memory relies upon beliefs, etc...
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Atheist said: because i grew up catholic and WAS catholic for 18 years
the day i realized god didnt exist i felt so stupid for not seeing it earlier
its just a word, an idea. they took the idea of 'gods' and made 'God' the all mighty being
its a bunch of bullshit, none of them exist. thats why i KNOW atheists are right, even more than agnostics.
atheists SAY god does not exist because they know it is totally ridiculous
Who is this "they" you speak of that took the idea of "gods" (and which "gods"?) and made "God"??
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I feel the way you're speaking as if you KNOW is.
Catholicism isn't something I'd trust though just throwing that out there
THEY are the people that made the Judeo-Christian god (the one of christianity, islam, judaism)
and yeah, catholicism is not good.....
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Re: Athiests. [Re: Atheist]
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MushroomTrip said: Read my post again. Where exactly did I express myself in such a manner that made you understand that I believe in god(s)?
i'm just asking you.
I don't know  There might be a god, there might be not. I have other concerns than finding that out.
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When I whipped out my rod She screamed, "Oh my God!"
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she was brought up that way i guess, but i dont believe anyone can really go through life not believing in anything.
Just because she doesn't believe in any gods doesn't mean she doesn't believe in anything. She just doesn't have the same believes as you.
I was raised a strict Christian. I am now pretty much an Atheist. I came to be one after I told myself I was going to start to be true to myself, and not believe things just because I wanted to. An afterlife seems like wishful thinking to me. And it was clear to me that people preying about things didn't change anything. So I came to the conclusion that it doesn't matter if God exists or not; because it doesn't effect me one way or another.
I certainly didn't loose my moral beliefs when I lost religion. I think I actually became a better person. I stopped preying for a better world because Gods not going to help us. We must make this a better world.
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Re: Athiests. [Re: fushock]
#7754606 - 12/13/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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being an atheist makes me appreciate this life because i know its the only one im gonna get
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Re: Athiests. [Re: fushock]
#7754697 - 12/13/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the belief in the non-existence of an afterlife is wishful thinking.
It would be so easy if existence just cut to black like the Sopranos, but I suspect it doesn't...
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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
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iwasaClown said: Whats up everyone.
I met this girl a few weeks ago and began talking to her, getting to know her a little better. We began talking about religion and she said she doesnt believe in god or anything. doesnt believe in any form of satan, and thinks nothing really happens when/after we die.
i insisted that there must be something she believes in and she said no.
she was brought up that way i guess, but i dont believe anyone can really go through life not believing in anything.
what do you guys think about people like her?
I like her. Could you give me her number?
Her stance is still a belief.
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I think the belief in the non-existence of an afterlife is wishful thinking.
It would be so easy if existence just cut to black like the Sopranos, but I suspect it doesn't...
Why do you suspect it doesn't? I'm not set in my ways yet. I can still be persuaded. But Ive had these debates before.
You are your mind. When your mind stops functioning, you stop existing. Non existence is hard to fathom. I think most people would rather roast in hell than not exist any more. Its hard. Its cold. But its seems to be the most reasonable belief to me.
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Re: Athiests. [Re: fushock]
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I totally agree. Death anxiety seems to be behind most belief in any afterlife as there is no solid evidence for one that can be presented.
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Just seems much more intense to contemplate eternal existence. I always loved going into the deep sleep state.
Nirvana literally means non-burning. Desire fuels Samsara which means friction creates movement or life. So for many buddhists it is the exact opposite. They long for non-existence, but fear being reborn. Not saying this is an official buddhist belief or anything, but it seems too simplified to claim that people believe in an afterlife ONLY because they can't cope with the thought of not being.
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Agnosticism rules.
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it seems too simplified to claim that people believe in an afterlife ONLY because they can't cope with the thought of not being.
In my experience, the simplest explanations are usually the best. As far a being the only reason people believe in an after life, I don't think thats true. I'm sure there are probably many reason people believe in an after life. They may have been raised to believe it. They may have been convinced by people with a vested interest in the subject, like preachers who earn their pay by selling people hope. It can be many things. Maybe you can share your reason for believing in an afterlife?
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Agnosticism is for wishy-washy pussies who cannot take a stand.
"Ooh, look at me, see how undecided and confused I am."
Fucking pathetic!
Jesus hated the luke-warm. (According to Luke.)
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Icelander said:Death anxiety seems to be behind most belief in any afterlife as there is no solid evidence for one that can be presented.
I don't think death anxiety should have anything to do with any belief in any after-life. Anxiety is not clear, therefore one can not see clearly through anxiety.
I must say... reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and smoking DMT, and apparently other deep states of samadhi, meditation, and trances, really all seem to take you to the same place
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it seems too simplified to claim that people believe in an afterlife ONLY because they can't cope with the thought of not being.
In my experience, the simplest explanations are usually the best. As far a being the only reason people believe in an after life, I don't think thats true. I'm sure there are probably many reason people believe in an after life. They may have been raised to believe it. They may have been convinced by people with a vested interest in the subject, like preachers who earn their pay by selling people hope. It can be many things. Maybe you can share your reason for believing in an afterlife?
Wow do you see differently then I write. I said this Death anxiety seems to be behind most belief in any afterlife
And no I can't share my reason for believing in an afterlife because I do not believe in one.
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Wow do you see differently then I write. I said this Death anxiety seems to be behind most belief in any afterlife
And no I can't share my reason for believing in an afterlife because I do not believe in one.
Whoops, I must be in debating mode. Seeing arguments where there are none...
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OrgoneConclusion said: Agnosticism is for wishy-washy pussies who cannot take a stand.
While atheism and theism are for people foolish enough to think they know anything.
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OrgoneConclusion said:Jesus hated the luke-warm. (According to Luke.)
while I agree that Agnosticism is somewhat ironic, (would a true Agnostic even call him/her-self an Agnostic?) we all know that Jesus loves everyone and everything
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OrgoneConclusion said: Agnosticism is for wishy-washy pussies who cannot take a stand.
"Ooh, look at me, see how undecided and confused I am."
Fucking pathetic!
Jesus hated the luke-warm. (According to Luke.)
Not true. Put your face under my foot and you can see me take a stand.
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I am not confused I am undecided. Not having evidence that can create a decision in the matter. What is so difficult for you to understand?
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I don't quite understand how one can be so undecided. Surely one couldn't straddle the fence all of the time. I can only imagine that would be difficult, to say the least.
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dorkus said: Nirvana literally means non-burning. Desire fuels Samsara which means friction creates movement or life. So for many buddhists it is the exact opposite. They long for non-existence, but fear being reborn. Not saying this is an official buddhist belief or anything, but it seems too simplified to claim that people believe in an afterlife ONLY because they can't cope with the thought of not being.
just a small clarification the Buddha warned that longing for non-existence is just as bad as longing for existence. I've always had trouble with integrating that with the teaching of Nirvana.
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MushmanTheManic
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OrgoneConclusion said: Agnosticism is for wishy-washy pussies who cannot take a stand.
While atheism and theism are for people foolish enough to think they know anything.
That really depends on how you define atheism.
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wyldeman007
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Everyone believes that they have the "correct" religion, and that they may invest emotion/resolve in their belief system justly. In a few words they do have the correct beliefs; every last one of them. The only real truth anyone holds in regards to religion is that we are all agnostics. We all have opposing/supplementing beliefs that will through action of paradox, never be quantified while we're alive. Logically you may debunk a religious aspect but you can never truly 100% disprove it. Say what you want but you're undeniably an agnostic whether you like it or not.
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"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here." - Richard Dawkins
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