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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
    #7750266 - 12/12/07 07:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

well, like you said, it was wired into her to belive that way. If this is the method of thinking than impossible things will happen which is impossible in it's own. Only possible things happen if someone deems an occurence impossible than it is evident that their belief structure is flawed in some way. In my opinion having no foundation for any belief of the truth to occur is better than having a flawed concept of the way things work and then have to tear the whole structure down (patches don't work) when the person comes to a realization of the fact that all of their past experiences were influenced by fallacy if the truth is not present in their life. Try to get her intersted in this scientific law known as the law of attraction. your intent would be to help her achieve a higher conept of the truth, and this is the way paved for the non-religious. If she does become interested then send her to psitek.net and get her highly interested in the book The Master Key System. This in my mind is the first necesarry tool to growing more truth in your life because the way the text is arranged, any english-speaking person can comprehend and apply it to their own life. Even if you are not interested in cultivating a relationship, the best thing a person can do for another person is inspire a creative thought that builds with momentum


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Re: Athiests. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7750271 - 12/12/07 07:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Read my post again.
Where exactly did I express myself in such a manner that made you understand that I believe in god(s)?




i'm just asking you.


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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
    #7750276 - 12/12/07 07:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Deciding NOT to believe in God, Satan & the afterlife is no more strange or unfounded than deciding TO believe. It is more common to have religious beliefs, certainly, but this does not make it more accurate.

As to whether or not it is possible to have NO beliefs about anything at all...I don't think so. Perhaps if you were in a persistent vegetative state, you would not be capable of believing anything. But if you can think, you will have beliefs. Our perception relies upon beliefs, our memory relies upon beliefs, etc...


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Re: Athiests. [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7750279 - 12/12/07 07:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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dirtworshipper said:
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Atheist said:
because i grew up catholic and WAS catholic for 18 years

the day i realized god didnt exist i felt so stupid for not seeing it earlier

its just a word, an idea. they took the idea of 'gods' and made 'God' the all mighty being

its a bunch of bullshit, none of them exist. thats why i KNOW atheists are right, even more than agnostics.

atheists SAY god does not exist because they know it is totally ridiculous




Who is this "they" you speak of that took the idea of "gods" (and which "gods"?) and made "God"??

I'm not saying you're wrong,
but I feel the way you're speaking as if you KNOW is.

Catholicism isn't something I'd trust though
just throwing that out there




THEY are the people that made the Judeo-Christian god (the one of christianity, islam, judaism)

and yeah, catholicism is not good.....


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Re: Athiests. [Re: Atheist]
    #7750296 - 12/12/07 07:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Atheist said:
Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Read my post again.
Where exactly did I express myself in such a manner that made you understand that I believe in god(s)?




i'm just asking you.




I don't know :shrug:
There might be a god, there might be not.
I have other concerns than finding that out.


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Re: Athiests. [Re: extraordinary]
    #7750311 - 12/12/07 07:26 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

the "law of attraction" is neither scientific nor a law


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Re: Athiests. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7750372 - 12/12/07 07:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

A girl whom I once kissed
Claimed to be an atheist

When I whipped out my rod
She screamed, "Oh my God!"

And now she is a theist.


:yesnod:


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Re: Athiests. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7750735 - 12/12/07 08:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl:
you did!


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Re: Athiests. [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7754247 - 12/13/07 05:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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she was brought up that way i guess, but i dont believe anyone can really go through life not believing in anything.




Just because she doesn't believe in any gods doesn't mean she doesn't believe in anything. She just doesn't have the same believes as you.

I was raised a strict Christian. I am now pretty much an Atheist. I came to be one after I told myself I was going to start to be true to myself, and not believe things just because I wanted to. An afterlife seems like wishful thinking to me. And it was clear to me that people preying about things didn't change anything. So I came to the conclusion that it doesn't matter if God exists or not; because it doesn't effect me one way or another.

I certainly didn't loose my moral beliefs when I lost religion. I think I actually became a better person. I stopped preying for a better world because Gods not going to help us. We must make this a better world.


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Re: Athiests. [Re: fushock]
    #7754606 - 12/13/07 06:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

being an atheist makes me appreciate this life because i know its the only one im gonna get


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Re: Athiests. [Re: fushock]
    #7754697 - 12/13/07 07:06 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think the belief in the non-existence of an afterlife is wishful thinking.

It would be so easy if existence just cut to black like the Sopranos, but I suspect it doesn't...


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Re: Athiests. [Re: thoughts]
    #7754797 - 12/13/07 07:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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iwasaClown said:
Whats up everyone.

I met this girl a few weeks ago and began talking to her, getting to know her a little better. We began talking about religion and she said she doesnt believe in god or anything. doesnt believe in any form of satan, and thinks nothing really happens when/after we die.

i insisted that there must be something she believes in and she said no.

she was brought up that way i guess, but i dont believe anyone can really go through life not believing in anything.

what do you guys think about people like her?




I like her. Could you give me her number?

Her stance is still a belief.:tongue:


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Re: Athiests. [Re: Middleman]
    #7754925 - 12/13/07 08:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I think the belief in the non-existence of an afterlife is wishful thinking.

It would be so easy if existence just cut to black like the Sopranos, but I suspect it doesn't...




Why do you suspect it doesn't? I'm not set in my ways yet. I can still be persuaded. But Ive had these debates before.

You are your mind. When your mind stops functioning, you stop existing. Non existence is hard to fathom. I think most people would rather roast in hell than not exist any more. Its hard. Its cold. But its seems to be the most reasonable belief to me.


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Re: Athiests. [Re: fushock]
    #7754932 - 12/13/07 08:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I totally agree. Death anxiety seems to be behind most belief in any afterlife as there is no solid evidence for one that can be presented.


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Re: Athiests. [Re: Icelander]
    #7754948 - 12/13/07 08:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Just seems much more intense to contemplate eternal existence. I always loved going into the deep sleep state.

Nirvana literally means non-burning. Desire fuels Samsara which means friction creates movement or life. So for many buddhists it is the exact opposite. They long for non-existence, but fear being reborn. Not saying this is an official buddhist belief or anything, but it seems too simplified to claim that people believe in an afterlife ONLY because they can't cope with the thought of not being.


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Re: Athiests. [Re: dorkus]
    #7754952 - 12/13/07 08:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Agnosticism rules.:thumbup:


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Re: Athiests. [Re: Icelander]
    #7754961 - 12/13/07 08:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Wholeheartedly agree. :smile:


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Re: Athiests. [Re: Icelander]
    #7755017 - 12/13/07 08:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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it seems too simplified to claim that people believe in an afterlife ONLY because they can't cope with the thought of not being.




In my experience, the simplest explanations are usually the best. As far a being the only reason people believe in an after life, I don't think thats true. I'm sure there are probably many reason people believe in an after life. They may have been raised to believe it. They may have been convinced by people with a vested interest in the subject, like preachers who earn their pay by selling people hope. It can be many things. Maybe you can share your reason for believing in an afterlife?


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Re: Athiests. [Re: Icelander]
    #7755021 - 12/13/07 08:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Agnosticism is for wishy-washy pussies who cannot take a stand.

"Ooh, look at me, see how undecided and confused I am."

Fucking pathetic!

Jesus hated the luke-warm. (According to Luke.)


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Re: Athiests. [Re: Icelander]
    #7755053 - 12/13/07 08:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:Death anxiety seems to be behind most belief in any afterlife as there is no solid evidence for one that can be presented.




I don't think death anxiety should have anything to do with any belief in any after-life. Anxiety is not clear, therefore one can not see clearly through anxiety.

I must say...
reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead,
and smoking DMT,
and apparently other deep states of samadhi, meditation, and trances,
really all seem to take you to the same place

:smileyfrog:


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