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God vs. Science debate
    #7750085 - 12/12/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I went to a debate at my college between 4 atheists and 4 religious people.

The biggest argument against the religious people was: "what made god?"

their answer was: "god is forever because it says in the bible"

the atheists were extremely outnumbered (big surprise </sarcasm>)

atleast there was free pizza :wink:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7750089 - 12/12/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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atleast there was free pizza :wink:




What kind? :bigweed:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7750098 - 12/12/07 04:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like complete amateurs on both sides, and a waste of time. Then again, there's the pizza...


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
    #7750142 - 12/12/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

actually there were 2 science professors on the atheist side


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7750164 - 12/12/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What a shame. You'd think they'd have a better central argument.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
    #7750184 - 12/12/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh no, that wasnt all it, but that was a definitely some of it.
they talked quantum physics and shit i have no idea about.
the bible was also a huge topic


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7750282 - 12/12/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Possibly a slight understanding of any perception is beneficial because you learn of its factual and fallacious structures. In every structure there must be some fact, one must discern the difference between the two in my opinion.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7750322 - 12/12/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Damn. I'd love to partake in a debate over God's existence at my school. Some free pizza sounds fucking sweet.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7750412 - 12/12/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Damn. I'd love to partake in a debate over God's existence at my school. Some free pizza sounds fucking sweet.




:lol: I want that too


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7752946 - 12/13/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If g*d will be explained, aeh I mean described by science, does that mean g*d doesn't exist anymore then ? :lol: I don't get it.
These two concepts are not exclusive in my eye.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7752951 - 12/13/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If g*d will be explained, aeh I mean described by science, does that mean g*d doesn't exist anymore then?




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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7752998 - 12/13/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If g*d will be explained, aeh I mean described by science, does that mean g*d doesn't exist anymore then ? :lol: I don't get it.
These two concepts are not exclusive in my eye.




Most scientists I've met say that anything supernatural, such as god, cannot be explained by science. However, since there are exteremely obvious implications that have surfaced as a result of scientific finding, I believe science should and does have the right and ability to conclude on matters such as god.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7753537 - 12/13/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> because it says [so] in the bible

Any religious debate I have been involved with usually degrades to the above comment.

My view on the subject... Gd was the artist, science is the critic.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Seuss]
    #7753576 - 12/13/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I see the whole thing as "Santa Claus vs. Science" and it sounds equally silly to me. :shrug:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Seuss]
    #7753651 - 12/13/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Gd was the artist, science is the critic.




Heh, I LOVE this...


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7753665 - 12/13/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Somebody's not getting any presents this year.  :nono:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7753696 - 12/13/07 01:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly I'm amazed that the next leader of the United States could be a man who truly thinks the earth is only a few thousand years old. I mean HOLY FUCK!


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
    #7753705 - 12/13/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

my views..... it just as hard to believe the whole science thing as it is the god thing


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7753716 - 12/13/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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my views..... it just as hard to believe the whole science thing as it is the god thing




With all those measurements, experiments and proven results I see what you mean... Stupid scientists and their concrete evidence!


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7753738 - 12/13/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7753751 - 12/13/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Give him a break. He's only a preschooler.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Atheist]
    #7754895 - 12/13/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I went to a debate at my college between 4 atheists and 4 religious people.

The biggest argument against the religious people was: "what made god?"

their answer was: "god is forever because it says in the bible"

the atheists were extremely outnumbered (big surprise </sarcasm>)

atleast there was free pizza :wink:




For me both sides have undefenable positions.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7754920 - 12/13/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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my views..... it just as hard to believe the whole science thing as it is the god thing




With all those measurements, experiments and proven results I see what you mean... Stupid scientists and their concrete evidence!




A simple overview of history shows scientists are constantly reevaluating their "concrete" evidence...

Old school scientist: "Of course the earth is flat, it's obvious, just climb a mountain!"


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Middleman]
    #7755002 - 12/13/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Please... reevaluating something to make it more precise is a far cry from saying "This, um... this being that uh... exists, he controls everything and if um, you don't do what I say you will... uh, suffer for all eternity. Now pay up."

And I'm not talking about "old school science" because that was HORRIBLY CRIPPLED by religious people making shit up as they went along. I'm talking about NOW... we have lasers and telescopes and all kinds of neato stuff that SHOW US REALITY.

There is no debate. One is 99.9% fact based on reality as we know it, the other is nothing but the same old story told since the dawn of time with different characters, different afterlife and different man-made rules.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7755050 - 12/13/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

While I agree with you in spirit you take your point too far.

neato stuff that SHOW US REALITY.

Nothing has shown me "REALITY" to my knowledge.

Yet we can mostly all agree that our senses are interpreting information as the same thing. With the God thing it's all about faith.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Middleman]
    #7756978 - 12/14/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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preschooler said:
my views..... it just as hard to believe the whole science thing as it is the god thing




With all those measurements, experiments and proven results I see what you mean... Stupid scientists and their concrete evidence!




A simple overview of history shows scientists are constantly reevaluating their "concrete" evidence...

Old school scientist: "Of course the earth is flat, it's obvious, just climb a mountain!"




I always love that argument. Scientists have known the world is not flat for thousands of years now. You realize the scientific method is only a few hundred years old right? Get over yourself, 'BUt SeE some guy that callEd himzelf TEH Scientistz said it was flat, therefore science is TEH WRong'


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Icelander]
    #7757140 - 12/14/07 01:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Nothing has shown me "REALITY" to my knowledge.

Yet we can mostly all agree that our senses are interpreting information as the same thing. With the God thing it's all about faith.




Yeah, and faith is a concept, not reality. I simply LOVE how humans associate "hoping, thinking, praying and faith" with actually having an effect on the universe... Your "faith" is absolutely meaningless to every molecule in the universe, except the ones that make up your brain.

You've seen reality.

Accepting the cold, dark truth about reality can be very difficult... but you've seen it.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Middleman]
    #7757223 - 12/14/07 04:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> A simple overview of history shows scientists are constantly reevaluating their "concrete" evidence...

Thus science continues to improve upon itself. As you said (more or less), religion once taught everybody that the world was flat and at the center of the universe. Through experimentation, science was able to show that the world is not flat and the earth is not at the center of the universe. A few BBQ's later, and the church realized that science was correct.

So which is worse, reevaluating conclusions or burning people to death for questioning something that was written long ago?


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Seuss]
    #7757471 - 12/14/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

my wife and i have this argument like every two days.. she is an agnostic and i believe there is a god or "higher power" i was raised christian but really disagree with what the bible says. she's constantly trying to label what i am. and i don't want to be labeled anything... because honestly i really don't know what the fuck i believe in anymore.... although about the whole science thing...if someone dosn't UNDERSTAND what the hell these scientist are saying there not going to give up there right to goto heaven... just because they have concrete evidence they say. all these science shows on tv make me absoultly sick cause i have to watch them constantly (the wife)...... they make these animated picture shows of what on mars venus or saturn saying they have rivers of liquid nitrogen or what the fuck ever they are just fuckin assuming they have no idea whats on any of these fucking planets cause they have never been there......hell we don't even know whats on the bottom of our oceans...... i mean yes you can look threw a telescope and see a planet star or whatever but you can't tell me they know what the planet is made out of. thats where science fiction comes into play. the one thing i agree with is that we are pretty much out in the middle of no where.... in a endless amount of space.... and we will probably never reach another glalxy or solor system... although we can assume all day long but its not correct i don't care what you say until you can touch it, analyse it, research it. we will never know


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7757505 - 12/14/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7757519 - 12/14/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You fail to understand that science doesn't "need to be there". Once certain rules of the universe are understood, we can begin to assume things based on accumulated data.

I don't have to "be there" to know Jupiter's gravity would crush me... Jupiter is massive, meaning it has tons of gravity. Humans also didn't NEED to plant a flag on the moon to know it has much less gravity, we could simply know that by estimating it's mass.

EDIT: I thought of a better one... Get a big bowl of baking soda and dump a bottle of vinegar in there. I don't need to "be there" to tell you exactly what's going to happen. :smile:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7757612 - 12/14/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

how are you going to understand certain rules of the universe until u actually dicover it. do you actually believe that every element in the universe is on our planet?


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7757661 - 12/14/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty much, yes.

Everything coalesced from one big huge cloud of elemental particles. There are a finite number of elementary pieces of the universe, and we've found quite alot of them right here on Earth.

There may very well be more, but since we know the atomic structure of things, and the general way things semm to work we can assume the rest pretty spot on.

Subatomic laws get funky, but we are working on those!

One day, science may have the AH HA! moment where we figure it all out once and for all... but I am 100% certain we will not find any "god".


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7757679 - 12/14/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
Nothing has shown me "REALITY"  to my knowledge.

Yet we can mostly all agree that our senses are interpreting  information as the same thing. With the God thing it's all about faith.




Yeah, and faith is a concept, not reality. I simply LOVE how humans associate "hoping, thinking, praying and faith" with actually having an effect on the universe... Your "faith" is absolutely meaningless to every molecule in the universe, except the ones that make up your brain.

You've seen reality.

Accepting the cold, dark truth about reality can be very difficult... but you've seen it.




I agree about faith. I dont' have faith in it.:lol:

I may have seen/perceived reality but then my brain did an end run around it and interpreted it for me. This created a belief between me and that so called reality. The act of observation changed something.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Seuss]
    #7757696 - 12/14/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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> A simple overview of history shows scientists are constantly reevaluating their "concrete" evidence...

Thus science continues to improve upon itself. As you said (more or less), religion once taught everybody that the world was flat and at the center of the universe. Through experimentation, science was able to show that the world is not flat and the earth is not at the center of the universe. A few BBQ's later, and the church realized that science was correct.

So which is worse, reevaluating conclusions or burning people to death for questioning something that was written long ago?




My point is we shouldn't believe 100% what science states as "proven fact" because it may soon be disproved.

Science has recently found life in places on the Earth where it "shouldn't" exist, neurons in parts of the body other than the brain and spine, and planets orbiting pulsars...

Scientist: "Impossible!"


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Middleman]
    #7758055 - 12/14/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> My point is we shouldn't believe 100% what science states as "proven fact" because it may soon be disproved.

Ah, this is based upon a misunderstanding of "fact" with respect to science. A "fact" in science is something that is accepted by the scientific community as likely being correct. Not absolutely correct, but likely correct. It is apparent, based upon what I have read over the years, that many non-scientists do not understand that in science "facts" and "laws" are highly probables, not absolutes.

(Some facts in science are absolute, but by definition rather than observation. For example, nothing can be colder than the temperature absolute zero; by definition rather than observation.)

> Scientist [says]: "Impossible!"

Other scientists hear: "Improbable."

Don't damn science (or math for that matter) because the vocabulary doesn't mean exactly what you expect it to in a literary sense.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7758074 - 12/14/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i mean yes you can look threw a telescope and see a planet star or whatever but you can't tell me they know what the planet is made out of. thats where science fiction comes into play.




It is quite easy to tell what a star is made of by putting its light through a prism. The prism breaks the light down so we can see what kind of star it is, and what it is burning to make fuel.

We can also estimate the mass of a planet orbiting said star by watching the star wobble back and forth over a long period of time. Most planets found so far are huge massive ones orbiting near their home star.

Science has come a LONG way in the last 20 years.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7758140 - 12/14/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You fail to understand that science doesn't "need to be there". Once certain rules of the universe are understood, we can begin to assume things based on accumulated data.

I don't have to "be there" to know Jupiter's gravity would crush me... Jupiter is massive, meaning it has tons of gravity. Humans also didn't NEED to plant a flag on the moon to know it has much less gravity, we could simply know that by estimating it's mass.

EDIT: I thought of a better one... Get a big bowl of baking soda and dump a bottle of vinegar in there. I don't need to "be there" to tell you exactly what's going to happen. :smile:




we know what happens when you mix an acid with a base because its been done before. and recorded.  they didn't know it until they experimented.


if you think that every element particle exist on this earth u are being very narrowminded because the universe is an infinate space and ur science is actiually proved that.also they have found meteors on earth that contained alien elements so that disproves it right there. don't look at as white and black one way or another...its three deminsional and with an endless amount of details..


you shouldn't be afraid of "god" or always disprove the bible even though i honestly think the bible is a big story book.

you see its givin your civilization morals a thought of afterlife... hell it even is the basis for law and order and ur constitution. so i think you should gives thanks to it so that you could live in a society where people will not commit crimes against organized civilization. so you can actually have freedom to have ur atheist thoughts or beliefs.....

maybe off the subject a little bit but i honestly think that religon higher power or whatever is in our dna just like sex, alchol, or drug abuse, addiction etc......................


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7758167 - 12/14/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:rofl2: Are you an alien being from the Mystery forum of deep space. ?:whoa:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Icelander]
    #7758253 - 12/14/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

actually im carl sagan back from the dead


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7758299 - 12/14/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What can you say? You can't resuscitate the brain :shrug: :smirk:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7758337 - 12/14/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah but i scraped the mary jane resin off of his inner skull last night and took a couple bong hits...i went straight to inner space


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7759727 - 12/14/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

we know what happens when you mix an acid with a base because its been done before. and recorded. they didn't know it until they experimented.

Alright, so since we have this data we can induct other phenomena corresponding to the data. Say we see A + B --> Salt + H2O a million light years away, we can know that it's an acid-base reaction through induction rather than empirical sense-perception.

if you think that every element particle exist on this earth u are being very narrowminded because the universe is an infinate space and ur science is actiually proved that.also they have found meteors on earth that contained alien elements so that disproves it right there. don't look at as white and black one way or another...its three deminsional and with an endless amount of details..

More important than knowing every element, knowing every ratio of electrons in every ion etc. is understanding how the rules work. Once you know how the rules work, things can be predicted, then you can test the predictions and so on.

Concerning the meteor bit, that's absolutely false. They may have found different compositions of elements they didn't expect, but they didn't find new elements. Instead, science has been able to create new elements by slamming atomic particles together, it's gone so far as they've included unmade elements into the periodic table. That is the power of science.

you shouldn't be afraid of "god" or always disprove the bible even though i honestly think the bible is a big story book.

I don't think most scientists are afraid of God. They just want the truth.

I think the bible is more than a story book, it's a framework for understanding human behaviour and psychology.

you see its givin your civilization morals a thought of afterlife... hell it even is the basis for law and order and ur constitution. so you can actually have freedom to have ur atheist thoughts or beliefs.....

If you're saying the bible allowed the freedom of beliefs, you should look into the crusades.

The bible may be a testament to human behaviour considering ethics, but that doesn't mean it has any relevance to modern ethics or that it created ethics.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #7765268 - 12/16/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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FocusHawaii said:
we know what happens when you mix an acid with a base because its been done before. and recorded. they didn't know it until they experimented.

Alright, so since we have this data we can induct other phenomena corresponding to the data. Say we see A + B --> Salt + H2O a million light years away, we can know that it's an acid-base reaction through induction rather than empirical sense-perception.

if you think that every element particle exist on this earth u are being very narrowminded because the universe is an infinate space and ur science is actiually proved that.also they have found meteors on earth that contained alien elements so that disproves it right there. don't look at as white and black one way or another...its three deminsional and with an endless amount of details..

More important than knowing every element, knowing every ratio of electrons in every ion etc. is understanding how the rules work. Once you know how the rules work, things can be predicted, then you can test the predictions and so on.

Concerning the meteor bit, that's absolutely false. They may have found different compositions of elements they didn't expect, but they didn't find new elements. Instead, science has been able to create new elements by slamming atomic particles together, it's gone so far as they've included unmade elements into the periodic table. That is the power of science.

you shouldn't be afraid of "god" or always disprove the bible even though i honestly think the bible is a big story book.

I don't think most scientists are afraid of God. They just want the truth.

I think the bible is more than a story book, it's a framework for understanding human behaviour and psychology.

you see its givin your civilization morals a thought of afterlife... hell it even is the basis for law and order and ur constitution. so you can actually have freedom to have ur atheist thoughts or beliefs.....

If you're saying the bible allowed the freedom of beliefs, you should look into the crusades.

The bible may be a testament to human behaviour considering ethics, but that doesn't mean it has any relevance to modern ethics or that it created ethics.





awsome!!! very interesting points:)


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7767291 - 12/16/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The God Part Of the Brain by Matthew Alper

link

He logically proves that religious experiences are a creation of our mind

case closed

but it doesn't rule out metaphysics but that is different then religion


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: ChiefGreenLeaf]
    #7767311 - 12/16/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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He logically proves that religious experiences are a creation of our mind

case closed



I'd like to see that. Certainly neurologists have show a correlation between religious experiences and certain brain activities, but correlation does not equal causation. If I can show that certain parts of the brain are active when you see a tree, does that prove the tree is imaginary?


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
    #7767339 - 12/16/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What I want to know is why the hell are people debating on how you peal an orange in comparison to why apples are so fucking delicious??

Looking at it from a logical point of view religion and science don't mix because they are on to different planes of existence; fact/opinion, resolve/wonder, interpretation/data, belief/perception etc...

Talk about how religion is hazardous to humanity or how science is hazardous stagnation or something like that. Now a Christians take on that subject would be worth listening to.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: wyldeman007]
    #7767466 - 12/16/07 09:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What I want to know is why the hell are people debating on how you peal an orange in comparison to why apples are so fucking delicious??





hehehe :bongload:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7767535 - 12/16/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone in my opionion that is involved or perscribes to a particular religion its utterly devoid of intelligence or is just lazy. Spirituality on the other hand is something completely different. A belief in a omniscient, omnipresent singular being is ludacris. we inherently are to simple to understand what "GOD" whatever it may be actually is. We havent come far enough in our understanding of ourselves and the beautiful world we live in to understand the thing that created it. The GOd thing and the science thing are one in the same and once everyone understands that they are both attempts to understand the universe that we live in they will understand that science is the only one of the two that has anything to show for it.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: longjump26]
    #7767566 - 12/16/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone in my opionion that is involved or perscribes to a particular religion its utterly devoid of intelligence or is just lazy.



You should meet my grandfather. He's a Christian theologian, and one of the smartest men I've ever met.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
    #7767774 - 12/16/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

your point


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: longjump26]
    #7767780 - 12/16/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That religious people can be intelligent.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
    #7767788 - 12/16/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes they can but that doesnt mean they havent been intentionally mislead or decieved.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE take a look and then do some research.


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    #7767798 - 12/16/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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yes they can but that doesnt mean they havent been intentionally mislead or decieved.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE take a look and then do some research.



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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: longjump26]
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Anyone in my opionion that is involved or perscribes to a particular religion its utterly devoid of intelligence or is just lazy.




Some people who are involved with religion are very opportunistic and serving their own needs, and may be doing so very effectively, displaying intelligent capacity and motivation, so that alone disproves your statement.

Judging the individual nature of a collective obstructs one's perceptions of the nature of reality. Attributing personal traits to an undefined individual who is subjectively considered to hold a collective identity is folly that does not represent the nature of reality. Why do it? People can engage in any activity or thought that they wish, provided that they do not impose upon the sovereignity of others. No need for me to pass judgement on some undefined, hypothetical individuals. :shrug:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
    #7768344 - 12/17/07 05:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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That religious people can be intelligent.





That religious people can be selectively intelligent.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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That people can be selectively intelligent.




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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7768711 - 12/17/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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That people are selectively intelligent.







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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Icelander]
    #7769367 - 12/17/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

people that belive in just religon think that people that believe in science are stupid and vice versa they both think the others are freakin idiots. no real point but just thought id share.


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7769375 - 12/17/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Spreading life wisdom? :smirk:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7769401 - 12/17/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah did you learn anything?


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Tomandjerry58]
    #7769918 - 12/17/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I find it very helpful to exercise probabilistic logic when pondering such subjects :sherlock:


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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7772818 - 12/18/07 04:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> people that belive in just religon think that people that believe in science are stupid and vice versa they both think the others are freakin idiots

A very smart person wrote:
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The individual feels the futility of human desires and aims and the sublimity and marvelous order which reveal themselves both in nature and in the world of thought. Individual existence impresses him as a sort of prison and he wants to experience the universe as a single significant whole. The beginnings of cosmic religious feeling already appear at an early stage of development, e.g., in many of the Psalms of David and in some of the Prophets. Buddhism, as we have learned especially from the wonderful writings of Schopenhauer, contains a much stronger element of this.

The religious geniuses of all ages have been distinguished by this kind of religious feeling, which knows no dogma and no God conceived in man's image; so that there can be no church whose central teachings are based on it. Hence it is precisely among the heretics of every age that we find men who were filled with this highest kind of religious feeling and were in many cases regarded by their contemporaries as atheists, sometimes also as saints. Looked at in this light, men like Democritus, Francis of Assisi, and Spinoza are closely akin to one another.

How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no theology? In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it.




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