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MushroomTrip
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What can you say? You can't resuscitate the brain
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Tomandjerry58
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yeah but i scraped the mary jane resin off of his inner skull last night and took a couple bong hits...i went straight to inner space
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FocusHawaii
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we know what happens when you mix an acid with a base because its been done before. and recorded. they didn't know it until they experimented.
Alright, so since we have this data we can induct other phenomena corresponding to the data. Say we see A + B --> Salt + H2O a million light years away, we can know that it's an acid-base reaction through induction rather than empirical sense-perception.
if you think that every element particle exist on this earth u are being very narrowminded because the universe is an infinate space and ur science is actiually proved that.also they have found meteors on earth that contained alien elements so that disproves it right there. don't look at as white and black one way or another...its three deminsional and with an endless amount of details..
More important than knowing every element, knowing every ratio of electrons in every ion etc. is understanding how the rules work. Once you know how the rules work, things can be predicted, then you can test the predictions and so on.
Concerning the meteor bit, that's absolutely false. They may have found different compositions of elements they didn't expect, but they didn't find new elements. Instead, science has been able to create new elements by slamming atomic particles together, it's gone so far as they've included unmade elements into the periodic table. That is the power of science.
you shouldn't be afraid of "god" or always disprove the bible even though i honestly think the bible is a big story book.
I don't think most scientists are afraid of God. They just want the truth.
I think the bible is more than a story book, it's a framework for understanding human behaviour and psychology.
you see its givin your civilization morals a thought of afterlife... hell it even is the basis for law and order and ur constitution. so you can actually have freedom to have ur atheist thoughts or beliefs.....
If you're saying the bible allowed the freedom of beliefs, you should look into the crusades.
The bible may be a testament to human behaviour considering ethics, but that doesn't mean it has any relevance to modern ethics or that it created ethics.
Edited by FocusHawaii (12/14/07 07:12 PM)
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: FocusHawaii]
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FocusHawaii said: we know what happens when you mix an acid with a base because its been done before. and recorded. they didn't know it until they experimented.
Alright, so since we have this data we can induct other phenomena corresponding to the data. Say we see A + B --> Salt + H2O a million light years away, we can know that it's an acid-base reaction through induction rather than empirical sense-perception.
if you think that every element particle exist on this earth u are being very narrowminded because the universe is an infinate space and ur science is actiually proved that.also they have found meteors on earth that contained alien elements so that disproves it right there. don't look at as white and black one way or another...its three deminsional and with an endless amount of details..
More important than knowing every element, knowing every ratio of electrons in every ion etc. is understanding how the rules work. Once you know how the rules work, things can be predicted, then you can test the predictions and so on.
Concerning the meteor bit, that's absolutely false. They may have found different compositions of elements they didn't expect, but they didn't find new elements. Instead, science has been able to create new elements by slamming atomic particles together, it's gone so far as they've included unmade elements into the periodic table. That is the power of science.
you shouldn't be afraid of "god" or always disprove the bible even though i honestly think the bible is a big story book.
I don't think most scientists are afraid of God. They just want the truth.
I think the bible is more than a story book, it's a framework for understanding human behaviour and psychology.
you see its givin your civilization morals a thought of afterlife... hell it even is the basis for law and order and ur constitution. so you can actually have freedom to have ur atheist thoughts or beliefs.....
If you're saying the bible allowed the freedom of beliefs, you should look into the crusades.
The bible may be a testament to human behaviour considering ethics, but that doesn't mean it has any relevance to modern ethics or that it created ethics.
awsome!!! very interesting points:)
Edited by Tomandjerry58 (12/16/07 12:10 PM)
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ChiefGreenLeaf

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The God Part Of the Brain by Matthew Alper
link
He logically proves that religious experiences are a creation of our mind
case closed
but it doesn't rule out metaphysics but that is different then religion
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Silversoul
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ChiefGreenLeaf said: He logically proves that religious experiences are a creation of our mind
case closed
I'd like to see that. Certainly neurologists have show a correlation between religious experiences and certain brain activities, but correlation does not equal causation. If I can show that certain parts of the brain are active when you see a tree, does that prove the tree is imaginary?
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wyldeman007
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
#7767339 - 12/16/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What I want to know is why the hell are people debating on how you peal an orange in comparison to why apples are so fucking delicious??
Looking at it from a logical point of view religion and science don't mix because they are on to different planes of existence; fact/opinion, resolve/wonder, interpretation/data, belief/perception etc...
Talk about how religion is hazardous to humanity or how science is hazardous stagnation or something like that. Now a Christians take on that subject would be worth listening to.
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daytripper23
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: wyldeman007]
#7767466 - 12/16/07 09:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wyldeman007 said: What I want to know is why the hell are people debating on how you peal an orange in comparison to why apples are so fucking delicious??
hehehe
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longjump26
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Anyone in my opionion that is involved or perscribes to a particular religion its utterly devoid of intelligence or is just lazy. Spirituality on the other hand is something completely different. A belief in a omniscient, omnipresent singular being is ludacris. we inherently are to simple to understand what "GOD" whatever it may be actually is. We havent come far enough in our understanding of ourselves and the beautiful world we live in to understand the thing that created it. The GOd thing and the science thing are one in the same and once everyone understands that they are both attempts to understand the universe that we live in they will understand that science is the only one of the two that has anything to show for it.
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Silversoul
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: longjump26]
#7767566 - 12/16/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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longjump26 said: Anyone in my opionion that is involved or perscribes to a particular religion its utterly devoid of intelligence or is just lazy.
You should meet my grandfather. He's a Christian theologian, and one of the smartest men I've ever met.
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longjump26
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
#7767774 - 12/16/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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your point
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Silversoul
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: longjump26]
#7767780 - 12/16/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That religious people can be intelligent.
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longjump26
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
#7767788 - 12/16/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes they can but that doesnt mean they havent been intentionally mislead or decieved.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE take a look and then do some research.
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Silversoul
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: longjump26]
#7767798 - 12/16/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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longjump26 said: yes they can but that doesnt mean they havent been intentionally mislead or decieved.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE take a look and then do some research.

See rebuttal
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fireworks_god
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: longjump26]
#7768293 - 12/17/07 03:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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longjump26 said: Anyone in my opionion that is involved or perscribes to a particular religion its utterly devoid of intelligence or is just lazy.
Some people who are involved with religion are very opportunistic and serving their own needs, and may be doing so very effectively, displaying intelligent capacity and motivation, so that alone disproves your statement.
Judging the individual nature of a collective obstructs one's perceptions of the nature of reality. Attributing personal traits to an undefined individual who is subjectively considered to hold a collective identity is folly that does not represent the nature of reality. Why do it? People can engage in any activity or thought that they wish, provided that they do not impose upon the sovereignity of others. No need for me to pass judgement on some undefined, hypothetical individuals.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Silversoul]
#7768344 - 12/17/07 05:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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That religious people can be intelligent.
That religious people can be selectively intelligent.
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fireworks_god
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OrgoneConclusion said: That people can be selectively intelligent.
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Icelander
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fireworks_god said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: That people are selectively intelligent.
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Tomandjerry58
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Re: God vs. Science debate [Re: Icelander]
#7769367 - 12/17/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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people that belive in just religon think that people that believe in science are stupid and vice versa they both think the others are freakin idiots. no real point but just thought id share.
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MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs



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Spreading life wisdom?
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