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The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own.
#7750062 - 12/12/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was recently conveyed to me that some people seem to think that they are limited by their environment (objective.) Like when one proves to you beyond a doubt that you cannot possibly get something it is that you desire. they prove it to you beyond a doubt through their logic (which is fallacious i might add) and you begin to percieve this as real. Only you choosing this to be percieved as real makes it so. Someone can preach at you all day, but if there is no attention of your mind set upon the preaching then, the sermon won't take effect. The same time a person considers how all the things in a situation can go wrong, they can visualize and affirm instead all the beneficial effects that will result from the cause of positive thinking. You see, there are two dueling loops of power; the perception of crystalline, and the amorphous which are constantly competing for human consciousness. The perception of crystalline is the glorification of objects as a cause of happiness, this is the system that trys to withstand the tests of time without moving. We live in a reality that is full of change, atoms are constantly moving about and higher forms of energy are doing the same. This is the amorphous power, one that anticipates change in the current system, new for the better. If one can realize that trying to set up a structure that stays fixed over time and allows no room for improvements will inevitably have to be changed to cover up the negative aspects, or the aspects that resist change, they will have greatly expanded their mode of consciousness into being able to see the inevitable change. Why not cause the change instead of be a victim of it by having a crumbling belief system cause uncertainty in your life? The structure changes, however its intent was to stay the same, it changes in a way that casts more light upon the nature of the structure and it is without a doubt negative, because it is in a form closed-minded, that is resistant to change even if the change is beneficial for humanity. To relate this to the topic, this crytalline structure I speak of preaches of predestination (for a lack of better words), that is you are already condemened to a life of negativity if you are born a pessimist. They do not talk often of the capactiy of the human mind to overcome it's objective environment by a means of complex systems of symbols. For example a letter is a symbol, a word is a symbol built off of letters to convey perception, then bodies of texts convey a higher value because they allow one to calculate thought in a more complex manner. Using these highly organized thoughts which were a construction of our own mind we can combat the brief bursts of negativity from others minds because we have created something that has more evidence and is therefore more believeable. The Universe is polar, there are two ways at least to look at any arguement. What is your construcive opinion for the body of text which I have assembled for your mind to entertain, so it can in turn entertain my own with another perception?
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Re: The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own. [Re: extraordinary]
#7750103 - 12/12/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paragraphs, please.
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EternalCowabunga
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Re: The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own. [Re: extraordinary]
#7750106 - 12/12/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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good post
i for one accept the consequences of my structures. they will crumble, and i will be a victim, but the way i have set up my own mind makes it impossible to change the structures from an active position. of course that is just a story.. i just don't really feel like changing much and having to face that uncertainty and anxiety. damned if i do, damned if i don't. call me a coward, call me stupid, but i have a right to my comfort.
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Re: The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7750112 - 12/12/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Revolutions allow for anything.
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Re: The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7750145 - 12/12/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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EternalCowabunga said:
i just don't really feel like changing much and having to face that uncertainty and anxiety. damned if i do, damned if i don't. call me a coward, call me stupid, but i have a right to my comfort.
You are right you do have the option to stay with the same structures, but in case you happen to change your mind... Psitek.net Most people are not willing to accept consequences, this is why you are not a coward; because you own up to it.
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Re: The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own. [Re: nolongerinuse]
#7750169 - 12/12/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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new2grow said: Revolutions allow for anything.
I agree unless the idea of the revolution is to abolish the current idea. This just gives more power to the current. Like when mother teresa refused to join in on an anti-war rally but suggested the idea of a pro-peace rally. Or MLK having his dream about everyone being equal. His dream was not to abolish the current ways, this was just a means to have his dream accomplished.
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Re: The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own. [Re: extraordinary]
#7754913 - 12/13/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was recently conveyed to me that some people seem to think that they are limited by their environment (objective.) Like when one proves to you beyond a doubt that you cannot possibly get something it is that you desire.
This doesn't sound like objective environment to me.
This does.
" I can prove to you and you can prove to yourself that you cannot walk through a 6 foot thick lead wall."
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Re: The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own. [Re: Icelander]
#7755806 - 12/13/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think that changing your framework is an extremly challenging task, if not futile, if you do not embrace, and express the feelings that are produced by the subconcious.
It is doubly hard, when we feel despair and inoculated with doubt, when we see that our efforts to change our frameworks, through ignoring ourselves, what we knew about life before that was reality, without, seeing it through to the other side.
I believe a critical aspect of changing our thought structures is embracing and expressing any thought that seems to distort what you have learnt to be reality. What i mean by this is, thought frameworks produce an effect on perception(thought and feeling) that is noticeable and we usually try to repress the thought and the reality or replace and sugar coat it by saying "no thats irrational" and i know for me, denying that i feel and think in such ways.what happens here is a seperation of you and the 'it' that you think is crazy. Unity is what will heal you, seperation is what ailed you. Seek to express unity.
But what the hell does unity have to do with it?
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If you choose to change your reality, remember that you must express the emotion that has arisen from the subconcious, express that angre, resentment, the resentment of resenting something, the sadness of being sad, express it, embrace it. Then if you are indeed ready and you see clearly what you are thinking, and why it is false, wrong, irration,, you will witness a trasnformation into a new reality and new you.
Through it all witness yourself as a creator.
Acknowledge that creator cannot exist without what gives it the room to be a creator. destruction, destruction, renewal, creation.
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Re: The possibility of the action of overcoming objective conflicting ideas with your own. [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7755939 - 12/13/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't like change. Even though the change may be beneficial, I'd rather stay in an unchanging environment.
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