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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7781931 - 12/20/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Both.

Theres evidence but science has not accepted it.

Theres radar evidence of craft flying well beyond human crafts capabilities.
Theres lie detector testimonial of people saying they were abducted.
Theres countless film that has been shown to not be hoax.

Theres enough evidence for anyone logical that does an unbiased study of the whole phenomena hence, as I said before the governments own people started of skeptical but then became believers (Hynek and Pope).



But thats not enough evidence for scientists, they would want to capture the craft and see the occupants.

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why can't believers become scientists and research what they choose




And you honestly think a subject that has got so much stigma attatched would get funding?
Besides, what are they gonna do? 'Project to capture alien craft' yep I can see that would definately get funding, lol.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7782772 - 12/20/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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why can't believers become scientists ?




Fourth time. I guess this is too difficult a question for you.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7783061 - 12/20/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There is a lack of scientists will to risk their job credentials to say that there is evidence for aliens and ghosts.

Balony!

Scientists constantly go against the grain. That's how scientific progress is made and how the pool of scientific knowledge constantly grows and refines itself.

The reason almost no scientists take the ET version of UFOs seriously is because science deals with OBSERVABLES and so far, the only observables of UFOs are a slew of hoaxes, a bunch of fuzzy pics that could be anything and stories of abduction by bored house wives that are full of holes and inconsistencies.

No hard physical evidence that could not possibly come from Earth has ever been produced. This even after A HUNDRED YEARS! of people claiming abductions and first-hand contact.

have you got the credentials to make these assertions that these things are not real?

I don't need credentials to state the since there is no hard physical evidence of any kind for the Tooth Fairy, she does not exist. Same for ET given the current lack of hard physical evidence.

What other phenomenon has withstood a hundred plus years of investigation with not a single piece of hard physical evidence? I don't think there is any.

Can you not understand that some things are beyond sciences grasp?

Can you not understand that all science wants is a piece of hard physical evidence? That's not beyond science's grasp.

The first instant someone presents a piece of metal or skin or hair or saliva or fiber or hangnail or whatever the fuck ET and his ship is made of will instantly open an entire new branch of scientific inquire. All it takes a a few molecules. It's been a hundred years and thousands of reported abductions but still nothing more than fuzzy pics and word of mouth.

Scientists don't say "it doesn't exist". What they do say is "show me".

So why can't anyone show me any physical evidence? It's been A HUNDRED YEARS already! How much more time do UFO people need to come up with the goods? In any other endeavor the UFO people would have been fired for lack of progress on the job by now.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Diploid]
    #7783893 - 12/20/07 11:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So what do scientists want?

a biological sample of alien skin?

Who's to say that such things dont exist.. you would have to understand that evidence of the sort would not go without intense monitoring.

There are hidden agendas all over the fukin place and anything to do with truths regarding Aliens has very, very deep implications.

Let's just wait and find out.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7783938 - 12/20/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you'd of read the post then you would of seen that I did answer it.

Quite ironic really, that you cannot see what is in front of you.:tongue2:

You can't talk either, you completely ignored all my questions earlier on in the post as you always do.

I asked you to explain some high profile incidents.

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Why don't you try explaining the Rendalsham forest incident or the Pascagoula river incident, the Zamora incident or the rest of the huge wealth of alien phenomena that is clearly beyond rational explanation?



:eek:





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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Diploid]
    #7783981 - 12/20/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Diploid said:

she does not exist.

Scientists don't say "it doesn't exist". What they do say is "show me".





What do I conclude from this?  :rolleyes:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7784019 - 12/20/07 11:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So what do scientists want?

A physical piece of ANYTHING AT ALL that could not possibly come from Earth.

It's a simple requirement. Fuzzy pics and boring abduction stories don't qualify.

It's been 100 years of UFO research. So far, not one single molecule of an alien substance has shown up at CNN or some newspaper. And these reporters dig up all sorts of secret and embarrassing shit on the government all the time.

By the way, I've been here before and know the standard response from the UFO crowd at this point in the debate, so lemme kill it right now.

you would have to understand that evidence of the sort would not go without intense monitoring. There are hidden agendas

Yep, that's standard response to the total lack of physical evidence.

To this, I reply that unless UFOs only crash on US land, there must be many other countries with crashed alien ships that would love nothing better than to expose the US government's lies concerning crashed alien ships.

Funny how no other government on Earth can produce any physical evidence either. :shrug:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7784125 - 12/21/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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So what do scientists want?

a biological sample of alien skin?





Fifth time. I know the density level is high, but are there no believer scientists anywhere in the world? Are they unable to pass college level courses?

UFO believers devoted to watching X-Files, reading sci-fi and perusing free energy websites: unlimited.

UFO believers so convinced of the reality of visitation so as to get a master's or PhD in the scientific field that they love in order to do unbiased research: almost nil.


Lazy or incapable? You tell me.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7784586 - 12/21/07 05:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

OC you seem to think you can safely say that UFO's are all hoaxes, yet you've done no research yourself, so what makes you say this :rolleyes: about UFO research?

If you want to see PhD UFO researchers then look at the government researchers that CONVERTED to believers when they studied the evidence.

Nick Pope - Nick Pope used to run the British Government's UFO project at the Ministry of Defence
http://www.nickpope.net/biography.htm

Josef Allen Hynek (May 1, 1910 - April 27, 1986) was a United States astronomer, professor, and ufologist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek

UFO's being real or not is not the case.

Its not a case of if they are real or not - the people that study them know they are real - thats well established so theres no point questioning that.
The only question is what causes them.  In cases where there is certainly a craft of some kind that has been backed up by physical evidence - such as landing traces or radar activity, it becomes even more difficult to discern what they are.

Take the Belgium mass sighting, it was picked up on 2 separate radar and the craft was chased by 2 F-16's.  The F-16s got repeated locks onto the craft.  The craft performed maneuvers far beyond our craft.  Much of the time they were flying in space.

Now thats as good as proof gets.  The only question is where did that craft come from?  The Belgium government asked the US and the UK if they were flying anything over Belgium airspace - they claim they are not.  You could say it was experimental, but why would it be being tested in plain sight over Belgium?

I suppose your gonna ignore all this again though and come out with some unfounded assertion?

I answered your questions so be honorable and account for this post?
How do you disregard what I present here?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Diploid]
    #7784601 - 12/21/07 05:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Diploid said:
Yep, that's standard response to the total lack of physical evidence.





YEP, you keep believing your own lies. Ignore these links because they may shatter your belief and yep its hard to accept when your wrong...

Physical evidence..
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/belgium.htm Radar evidence Belgium sighting

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/physicalevidence.htm


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7784626 - 12/21/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Again... many mistakes... *sigh*

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The maximum speed is limited by the thrust vs. drag ratio, and by the conversion of drag into heat, which can cause structural changes or damage[4]




Oh, a reference... I wonder what that could be about...

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4. For instance, the SR-71 actually lengthens in response to the intense heat produced by its speed.




Nope, not a reference.

The statement "and by the conversion of drag into heat" is a common mistake made my layman that don't understand aerodynamics. Air friction produces very little heat. Air pressure, on the other hand...

How can I believe anything in the post when such a glaring mistake immediately illustrates the lack of basic understanding by the author? Even worse, this was just one of many such mistakes.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7784800 - 12/21/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Radar evidence :blah:




And yet many UFO aficianados say that UFOs don't register on radar. (Shroomism for one has stated that).

As per usual, you guys want it both ways and are never consistent.

I would wager that I am probably the only certified radar tech here and could go on and on about false readings from temperature inversions to birds to improperly tuned receivers. Blips frequently appear and diasppear when there is no solid object there. Newer radars are much less prone to these types of errors, which is why most cases are decades old.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7784805 - 12/21/07 08:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How dare you make other people think? :nono:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7784815 - 12/21/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Did you ever read my thread on grammar and believers? The more deeply into the paranormal, the worse the errors. Must be some sort of wiring error in the logic comprehension area of the brain. Hell, you are not a native English speaker and write better than most on MRP.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7784844 - 12/21/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

O come on thats just gayness.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: daytripper23]
    #7784868 - 12/21/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not really. Sloppiness, inattention to details, and being either lackadaisical or unaware of how to apply normally accepted rules are generally the hallmarks of those into the paranormal.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7784906 - 12/21/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sure, but that doesn't change how silly it is to correct someones on this board. Whats the idea of pointing this out? There's one place for this, grammar school. But in the rest of the world communication is a two way street. Correct the wrong guys grammar and he and his buddy Cletus might 'gone' cut yer balls off.'

This really answers the original posters question, whether you can see it or not. The world defines our science, logic, and our language. Not vice versa. Language of all things is the least absolute. It IS context.

See the absurdity in this, and maybe you can see the whats wrong with defining the world through pure logic.

Ok before you refute me, first, know that I am not at all supporting the evidence of aliens or what ever ego death is talking about.

Secondly, perhaps you think that I hate and reject science and logic, but I don't. I'm just saying there's more to life than what logic can explain, and actually you can see this by looking at the world logically...



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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: daytripper23]
    #7785014 - 12/21/07 10:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm just saying there's more to life than what logic can explain, and actually you can see this by looking at the world logically...




mm, a paradox, ey? ::sherlock:

you want reason to suspect reality may be greater than we imagine- try to fully account for prohibition of cannabis etc. using only "logic" and "reason".


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7785058 - 12/21/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes but your ignoring the rest of the case,
Radar evidence was just part of it.

There were two F-16s chasing this thing and they had lock ons of it flying in space.

Do we have a space bird on our hands.

Theres was also hundreds or corroborating videos and photos






Considering that you have shown repeatedly that you will disregard a whole phenomena based on 1 idea then theres no point me debating anymore. A good detective looks at all possibilities they don't just declare themselves an expert then pick a suspect. Sorry but your skills of deduction are extremely narrow minded.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7785116 - 12/21/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Come on EG, what does 10,000 believers declaring the Phoenix Lights to be genuine UFOs (read: alien spacecraft) when it has been conclusively demonstrated that they were military flares?

Does this not speak to one's ability to project whatever fantasy onto an object that one desires?

Many years ago I wrote an in-depth article on why 95% of UFO sightings are at night. This has to do with poor night vision, lack of frame of reference, inability to see an outline and to tell distance in the sky and the ability of the human mind to fill in a pattern.


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