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OfflineSeussA
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7754742 - 12/13/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> I consider myself a true skeptic because I'm always open to new evidence

There is more to being a skeptic than an open mind. One must question everything, even that which one knows to be true.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Seuss]
    #7754769 - 12/13/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My point was that I know NOTHING to be true.

I can only evaluate on the weight of evidence.

Hell man, I don't know anything beyond that I am writing this shit now. I'm a being or I think I am! Thats as far as true goes!

Everything else is relative. It relies on assumption upon assumption!

Assuming other people are real, then we can base relative truth on their observations.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7755131 - 12/13/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I practice reiki but I am not sure if it "works" or if I'm imagining all that. This is why I keep questioning it



That's my approach to magick and spirituality in general. That's why I've been particularly drawn to chaos magick lately.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7755145 - 12/13/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes :smile:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7755232 - 12/13/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It possible, but there are OTHER, more possible possibilities than that. :grin:




Nice....!    :lol:    :thumbup:




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Ginseng1 said:
Well because the healer doesnt heal you, you heal yourself.  It's all in the mind.  A healer only poses as a reason to believe.




You make it sound like healers are more like cheerleaders....?    :cheer:
HHhhhmmmmmm....
I still think I would rather have a cheerleader....    :evil:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7755645 - 12/13/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I still think I would rather have a cheerleader....    :evil:






Me too :yesnod:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7755710 - 12/13/07 08:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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PhanTomCat said:

I still think I would rather have a cheerleader....    :evil:






Me too :yesnod:




Maybe, but prolly~ not for the same reasons....  :naughty:

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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7755760 - 12/13/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I want them to cheer :smirk:
How do you prefer yours? :naughty:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? *DELETED* [Re: Seuss]
    #7755785 - 12/13/07 08:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7755787 - 12/13/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Healing is very real.




Yeah, so where's the evidence?

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You don't get 'ripped off' if the results you paid for are achieved.




So how come that no healer can show that they actually healed somebody?

But there are evidence and stories about people who contacted healers and they health condition kept getting worse and eventually died.

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Are you aware that common headache tablets (aspirin, paracetamol) do not have a better rate of success than placebo?




Source? :smirk:
And yes, while in some cases (like headaches :smirk:), self suggestion works, tel me how does it work for AIDS? Or cancer? Or heart conditions, strokes and so on?
Why isn't there any healer to show that they can actually heap someone? :wtf:
How easy do I have to make it for you, so you can comprehend? :confused:

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People with your line of logic completely disregard it as 'ripped off' despite the factor of success, now that is idiotic.




No, what is idiotic is to keep going on & on talking about the factor of success and have nothing to back it up. :lol:




Im sry but what is really idiotic is us humans putting all our faith into testable bullshit and automatically the ones who beleive this will believe it with the same fervor as a priest and they wont allow the unseen to remain without evidence but thats the point..........................................................................................................................................
wtfFFFF?? CMON GUYS is life really like that????


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7757217 - 12/14/07 03:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> you never know what is truly true really real or otherwise fits your belief paradigm. As such, one never really knows what is "true".

I think that we are saying the same thing. (My form/wording had just a hint of sarcasm in it. I probably should have quoted the last use of the word "true" to make the statement a bit more clear.)


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Seuss]
    #7762959 - 12/15/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wow I'm gone for a few days and y'all really took off on this one!

Visualization has been used numerous times with cancer patients with recorded results. They were taught to visualize the tumor and visualize their body attacking it, destroying it and eliminating it. Books have been written about this.

Way back when, when I went to church regularly we had a pastor who went to Russia shortly after Chernobyl, when he came back his white blood count had gone thru the roof. The Dr.s were looking at a diagnosis of leukemia. Hands were laid on him. He said he felt the power surge thru him. When he went back a week later (this was 15 yrs or so ago so forgive me if I am wrong about the length of time before he went back to get tested) the Dr.s tested him again and his white blood count was normal. This was a huge church. Membership was over 1,000. This was publicly announced and recorded.

There are many examples of people being healed by something other than western medicine. Just because we don't understand something doesn't mean it doesn't work. I am sure "scientists" scoffed at acupuncture for years before the nervous system was understood.

Orgone, I am very sorry that you lost a friend of yours in a cult. Truly I am, but that doesn't mean everyone is irrational just because your friend was.

So many of you talk about the quacks proclaiming the things they can do, so-called psychics and healers that are just out for your money. I agree with you, there are many, many, many people out there just waiting for someone to fleece.

I would like to compare psychics to car salesmen: there are many crooked people just trying to get a buck, but sometimes, in rare instances there is an honest person just doing what they can. But you shouldn't say all of them are crooks just because most of them are crooks.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: mushbaby]
    #7763070 - 12/15/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well said!


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: mushbaby]
    #7764261 - 12/16/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Visualization has been used numerous times with cancer patients with recorded results. They were taught to visualize the tumor and visualize their body attacking it, destroying it and eliminating it.




Do you have a valid source with medical documentation or merely stories?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: mushbaby]
    #7764278 - 12/16/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I am sure "scientists" scoffed at acupuncture for years before the nervous system was understood.





Acupuncture still has yet to be shown efficacious.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7764806 - 12/16/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Acupuncture still has yet to be shown efficacious.




You must not have ever experienced it then..... :shrug:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: SoY]
    #7764990 - 12/16/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I experienced it though.
And like with reiki, it worked.
What I am left wondering is how much of it was my own imagination.
You see, some people claim that it worked perfectly on them, others not at all.
In fact, acupuncture works in very unscientific/unrepeatable manners.
The "centers" themselves, the ways in which they are precisely located remains a mystery.
Let's take a look at a few illustrations:


Hm.... now that's pretty hard to "guess"... the exact point in two different individuals, think about it...
Since it takes the pin of a very sharp needle to stimulate the exact center intended... it means that the center itself is REALLY small.
How do they find it? It's almost like trying to locate a cell using... eye glasses. :shrug:
I really wanna make myself understood and feel the need to repeat that

Now let's think about what would happen if it weren't for science, how many charlatans and myths regarding healing (amongst other things) would be out there.
How many ill and desperate people would give their lives and health in the hands of someone who sprinkles some magic dust on them and "repair" their problems.
There's an alarming amount of people who are placing their trust in people who are only up to taking their money. If, amongst those charlatans there are also others who can help, then I guess that time will tell.
But until now, the scientific method has proven to be the safest and most efficient.

I am not trying to deny your experience with acupuncture, what I am still :sherlock:, is about is the interpretation that you gave to this experience.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Middleman]
    #7765180 - 12/16/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Middleman said:
Face on Mars = Fail.

Phoenix Lights = Fail.

Some crop circles are not made by people, and some psychic healers are legitimate.

You, nor anyone else, has proven otherwise...




The burden of proof is on those making the claim.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7765191 - 12/16/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Also, why is this thread still open? Isn't there a little too much debate and not enough faith-based back patting? Is it ok if I create a thread asking what's wrong with M&P heads?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7765204 - 12/16/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The burden of proof is on those making the claim.



Well, depending on how each side presents itself, either could be said to make a claim. If someone says that some crop circles are made from aliens and that some psychic healers are legitimate, then they are making a claim and the burden of proof is on them. If, however, you say that all crop circles and psychic healers are frauds, then the burden of proof is on you. The fact that some of them have been proven to be frauds is not sufficient evidence to dismiss them all as such.


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