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OfflineMushroomTrip
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7754288 - 12/13/07 03:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It is a cool story
But do you agree with me on the fact that it is much wiser and efficient to check these things out and subject them to different tests (and now I am not saying that these are the best methods, but this is what we have until now), before taking them as being true?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7754296 - 12/13/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't take anything to be more than a conditional truth.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7754342 - 12/13/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I never brought into discussion that there might be another kind of truth.
We know so little about our conditions, so we do have limited means of testing what works and what doesn't in these conditions. Still, i think that until now, the scientific method has shown to have the most results.
And that as it keeps expanding, more unexplainable things become explainable, through science.
This only makes me think that maybe, some day, some of the things that we call "paranormal" right now, will be easily explained.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7754438 - 12/13/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

We need a mod here stat!

This has turned into a sad show of people trying to argue as to why we shouldn't believe in great, great things until they are proven. So until they are proven, we shouldn't believe in them?
Nobody here cares to believe in trivial things. We choose to believe in things which have profound effects in our reality because they are very well possible. We aren't concerned with believing in apples. We are concerned in believing that there is a greater awareness to be part of, but until that "awareness" is proven, we should't concern ourselves with it? We are still too new to know all the answers, but until then have the faith that the answers do exist and that there is more than just 1 equation in the universe.

It's not like someone here is going to believe they can fly and jump off a building. Nobody is going to get hurt, so let the open-minds fly!


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7754478 - 12/13/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh come on, you can't be serious.
You asked what's wrong with P&S heads, and now that you found out you feel hurt? :lol:
What did you expect, a trial at which we would be absent? :smirk:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7754489 - 12/13/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

OK,
so you practice reiki but then you try to argue that :rolleyes: and constantly use a laughing gremlin, (:lol:)
maybe we can write a book on that, eh?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Middleman]
    #7754496 - 12/13/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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OC, I feel sorry for you. Where is the magic, mystery, and wonder in your fundamaterialist tunnel?




Where is the mystery in committing suicide to visit an alien spacecraft?

Where is the magic in building one's life around a hoax?

Where is the wonder in believing in things that are untrue?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7754500 - 12/13/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm hurt now? Pleeeeeeeeease.

Your emotions are getting tickled because i must have touched on something with the title of my thread.

I don't care if you dont want to see things a certain way, thats fine. This is M&P and I was trying to find out what it is with people like you? Clearly the underlying reasons would be "paranormal" because it just doesn't make much sense.. this barrier that humans put up everywhere..


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7754504 - 12/13/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Stop attributing another posters words to your own ideas.

He wasn't referring to the heavens gate incident and everybody knows that.

Only you were.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7754550 - 12/13/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Personally, if I have cancer, I wouldn't mind trying to get healed at Lourdes cathedral and taking chemotherapy, and I wouldn't care which one did the healing




1. I apparently am way more curious than you. I would actually want to try to understand the mechanics behind the healing so that the process could be fine-tuned and used to help others. Taking a shotgun approach tells us very little.

2. The spontaneous healings at Lourdes are statistically slighty LOWER than spontaneous healings among non-pilgrims. What does that tell us of the nature of faith and miracles?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7754572 - 12/13/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Personally, if I have cancer, I wouldn't mind trying to get healed at Lourdes cathedral and taking chemotherapy, and I wouldn't care which one did the healing




1. I apparently am way more curious than you. I would actually want to try to understand the mechanics behind the healing so that the process could be fine-tuned and used to help others. Taking a shotgun approach tells us very little.

2. The spontaneous healings at Lourdes are statistically slighty LOWER than spontaneous healings among non-pilgrims. What does that tell us of the nature of faith and miracles?




Don't believe in institutions, believe in thyne self.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7754597 - 12/13/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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so you practice reiki but then you try to argue that :rolleyes:




Repetition is always a good way to increase memory :smile:

and constantly use a laughing gremlin, (:lol:)

Good good you're making progress :smile:

Quote:

maybe we can write a book on that, eh?




I wouldn't write a book with you because honestly I think you suck as a writer. :sorry:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7754601 - 12/13/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Some 15 years ago when I FIRMLY stated the Face on Mars was merely a rock formation, I was blasted by believers as a close-minded skeptic. NASA was hiding the truth... :blah:

When I pointed out the City on Mars in the Cydonia region was also merely a human mind seeing patterns in rocks, I was villified as a cold logician with no sense of mystery.

When NASA rephotographed the area, the rational POV was obviously true.

This scenario has been repeated with crop circles, The Phoenix Lights, psychic healings, and on and on and on.

Once again my record is 100% and believers is 0.00%. How many thousands of times more must the rational/empirical model be right before you clue in?


Rationalist: Here is the evidence and the method.

Believer: Here is the excuse why we cannot demonstrate what we claim or provide any evidence.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7754629 - 12/13/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Believer: Here is the excuse why we cannot demonstrate what we claim or provide any evidence.




Bullshit.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7754630 - 12/13/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Face on Mars = Fail.

Phoenix Lights = Fail.

Some crop circles are not made by people, and some psychic healers are legitimate.

You, nor anyone else, has proven otherwise...


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7754641 - 12/13/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I meant we as in everyone else but you darling.
:blush:

The feelings mutual.

I could never have a co-writer that contradicts them self within the space of minutes.

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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7754664 - 12/13/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well done OC.

I think most experts in the alien/ufo field would agree on that. I do.

Why don't you try explaining the Rendalsham forest incident or the Pascagoula river incident, the Zamora incident or the rest of the huge wealth of alien phenomena that is clearly beyond rational explanation?

It always makes me chuckle that conclusion is in your name...


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
    #7754668 - 12/13/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why? Because I practice reiki but I am skeptic?
Where's the contradiction?
I am aware (as I stated earlier) by the fact that self suggestion works, I am also aware that there might be more to it, but I am not trying to impose it on anyone.
When you turn it into a philosophical discussion you'd better have arguments for it. Because of the philosophical inquiry you know? :hehehe:
I practice reiki but I am not sure if it "works" or if I'm imagining all that. This is why I keep questioning it


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7754687 - 12/13/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Why? Because I practice reiki but I am skeptic?
Where's the contradiction?
I am aware (as I stated earlier) by the fact that self suggestion works, I am also aware that there might be more to it, but I am not trying to impose it on anyone.
When you turn it into a philosophical discussion you'd better have arguments for it. Because of the philosophical inquiry you know? :hehehe:
I practice reiki but I am not sure if it "works" or if I'm imagining all that. This is why I keep questioning it




don't work because you don't know how to believe.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7754701 - 12/13/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
So how come that no healer can show that they actually healed somebody?





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MushroomTrip said:
When I use it on me, it works.




I'm not denying being skeptical, I consider myself a true skeptic because I'm always open to new evidence. My mind is never completely made up - I can only work with the weight of evidence which I have experienced.

Seems at this point maybe, we should agree? We are essentially proving to each other the same mindset or am I wrong?


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