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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7800034 - 12/26/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm all dry :frown:

I think a world of philosophers would be terrible anyways.. imagine a whole world exhausting themselves with the conversations commonly had on psychedelics - I can claim to understand the paradoxes, but the paradox is no less a paradox and it isn't going away.

Someone once said to me that philosophy was bullshit. I said "well, then science is bullshit too". I take that back now, because at least science has repeatability. But the way people use science to back up their beliefs is often just as delusional as mystic-heads, but I don't know where this is going and I'm $*(& tired.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7800048 - 12/26/07 02:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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When I see a large metallic object barrelling down the road directly at me at a high rate of speed, I can stand there and ponder the fact that I might be dreaming, that it could be a hologram or a drug-induced hallucination or any of a zillion possibilities

To conclude that it is a truck and to get the fuck out of the way is a sign of a mental illness such as SCD. :rolleyes:




Do you believe it is possible to be a little open minded or a little closed minded or is it only open minded versus closed minded? See, I actually do think that being closed minded is very useful for physical survival. I think it is because of closed minded individuals that we also need to understand what a truck is and understand that they pose a threat to us.

When I think open minded, I am thinking in terms of human to human relations. It is necessary to have closed concepts about THINGS and their definitions, but what about "bigger picture ideas" such as the way things work or understanding another person's perspective

edit: and im not saying we should accept other people's delusions or beliefs, i mean it takes some kind of imagination to put ourselves in another's shoes - something which reading scientific facts from a book could not do for us. you would be stupid to stand in front of the truck and let yourself get hit, but you also could not understand what that truck was capable of if you hadn't used your imagination. and if that truck did hit you, whose to say those other realities that you contemplated weren't true, maybe it was all a dream and then you wake up as the truck hits you. the only reason why we don't let the truck hit us is because it is stupid to not want to survive because everything tells us we should survive


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7800056 - 12/26/07 03:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

my problem with philosophy, and with the people of P&S is that it turns into a game of semantics.

when it comes to philosophy i like hearing new ideas, not engaging in pointless word games. i think the philosophy game is best left to those whose natural writing or speaking ability makes those word games do their function to get the ideas flowing.

a great example is terrence mckenna. do i think what he says is factually or metaphysically accurate, no i'm pretty sure its not. but every time i hear him speak its like magic, and i feel my mind relaxing and expanding.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7800093 - 12/26/07 03:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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my problem with philosophy, and with the people of P&S is that it turns into a game of semantics.





Could you possibly be any more phony?

TK: I didn't promise the pinwheel video to Diploid, it was to Swami. And it wasn't really a promise, more of a loose committment.

Technically accurate, but against the principle of the conversation. If that is not semantic quibbling, then nothing is.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7800253 - 12/26/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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my problem with philosophy, and with the people of P&S is that it turns into a game of semantics.





Could you possibly be any more phony?




...from my point of view." ???

i agree with what TK said.
there is little room for fresh ideas and inspiration when everyone's busy trying to prove their points.

there's a reason for this being a discussion-only forum OC.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7800261 - 12/26/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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That is where you are wrong. It is not a belief.

An object in the night sky cannot be both a helicopter AND an alien scout ship.



I feel the urge to reply here and want to state that it indeed can be both.
Take a primitive native bank-robber fleeing from foreign police helicopters :smile:
Primitives looked at flying vehicles as 'ships'. 'Scout' is the function to find the robber. And 'alien' can be linked to the 'foreigner' and even to the social discrepancy fact (through his robbery he became an 'alien' to society).
:lol:


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7801003 - 12/26/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

LoL. You should write a thriller.

Narrative voice is a profound thing, even though it is a completely human concept. Study the dynamics of it, and your tapping into something real.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7801560 - 12/26/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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That is where you are wrong. It is not a belief.

An object in the night sky cannot be both a helicopter AND an alien scout ship.




Strange how all these people (astronauts, MOD workers, army Majors and captains, Aircraft specialists, Pilots) can have those jobs but yet according to OC and Diploid its rational for them to assume they saw helicopters or were chasing Venus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Disclosure_Project

Who is more delusional? The man that disregards all of this and makes up his own answer or the man that stays open minded but acknowledges what these people are saying.

Personally, I think all those people are much more likely to have the correct answer.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7801594 - 12/26/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i agree with what TK said.



TK lied - no two ways about it. He said he would do it and failed, then brought the same subject up three years later and pretended as if he never agreed. Is this the hallmark of a spiritual being or a delusional/dishonest human being?

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there is little room for fresh ideas and inspiration when everyone's busy trying to prove their points.




I bent over backwards to accomodate him. Which is more likely to add to the knowledge base of mankind: a simple demonstration or endless verbal masturbation?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7801656 - 12/26/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

there's a reason for this being a discussion-only forum OC.

This is disingenuous as is usual for True Believers.

Instead of acknowledging in an upfront and honest way the operant fact that yet another mystic reneged on his promise and lied about his powers, you guys harp on who exactly the promise was made to (Swami or Diploid) and you change the subject to the forum the thread lives in and a rules technicality. And you guys ask what's wrong with P&S Heads?

But, alright. Since technicalities are more important to you than Truth, I've moved the thread to where it should have been created in the first place.

Now, can we get back to the mystic's outright lie, the missing video, and the never-ending lack of a demonstration despite a lot of hot air?


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Diploid]
    #7801736 - 12/26/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm totally aware he flaked out and it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Is that a reason to continue with condescending remarks? I don't think so.

Thanks for relocating.


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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Lion]
    #7804825 - 12/27/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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In Zen, the master tries to surprise, frighten, befuddle, anger, and pose difficult or unanswerable questions to her or his students in order to awaken them. Students likewise can test the master in a similar manner. The way I see it, much of what P&S is about is a bunch of students who are pushing each other to question their assumptions by whatever means they have. It is unwise to ever believe that one has come to a satisfactory understanding of the experience of being alive, and the goal of most P&Sers is to keep one another on our toes, to push one another to live on "the razor's edge of the present", as Eckhart Tolle described Zen practice. That's how I approach P&S, anyway.






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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Diploid]
    #18223504 - 05/06/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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there's a reason for this being a discussion-only forum OC.

This is disingenuous as is usual for True Believers.

Instead of acknowledging in an upfront and honest way the operant fact that yet another mystic reneged on his promise and lied about his powers, you guys harp on who exactly the promise was made to (Swami or Diploid) and you change the subject to the forum the thread lives in and a rules technicality. And you guys ask what's wrong with P&S Heads?

But, alright. Since technicalities are more important to you than Truth, I've moved the thread to where it should have been created in the first place.

Now, can we get back to the mystic's outright lie, the missing video, and the never-ending lack of a demonstration despite a lot of hot air?




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