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OrgoneConclusion said: And the reason no UFO nuts are able to get advanced degrees in science or debate logically is confirmed.
Everybody wins!
First of all any logic you speak of is based on a need for mainstream information that is exclusively held accountable for confirming ET life and visitation. There is yet to be. That means absolutely nothing.
Secondly, you are trying to unify UFO phenomena, with a percieved level of competency and the word "nut", to further instill your views on others in a condisending manner. This is an old trick. People actualy think it actualy makes them look more intelligent than the rest.
Would it mean anything for me to state that some people with advanced degrees in science have actualy become "UFO nuts"?
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ginseng1]
#7787743 - 12/22/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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to further instill your views on others in a condisending manne
You are very funny. The very title and nature of this thread by you is antagonistic! And you cry "Foul!" 
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Would it mean anything for me to state that some people with advanced degrees in science have actualy become "UFO nuts"?
And yet time and time the UFO nuts cry, "Why can't science do this or that for us?"
If you have insiders, then why complain why a geologist, a computer scientist, a chemist, and the millions of other scientists following their personal field of choice, do not drop everything and take up your fantasy cause? Can you guys possibly be any more lazy and self-centered?
What are YOU personally doing to bring new evidence? That's right. You're not doing a thing.
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OrgoneConclusion said: If you have insiders, then why complain why a geologist, a computer scientist, a chemist, and the millions of other scientists following their personal field of choice, do not drop everything and take up your fantasy cause? Can you guys possibly be any more lazy and self-centered?
??? Who ever complained that geologists should drop everything and take up our "fantasy cause"? 
Again, using words like lazy and self-centered will get you nowhere fast.
The point is, that UFOlogists are able to consider the implications and accept possibility. Why is it our duty to find alien craft debris just to prove to the skeptics that visitation is happening?
Our duty is to research and make an objective decision based on what we have been presented. I seems as though yours is the same. What else could one do but take pictures of UFOs and speak of their experiences to others, including the literature they have found couple with cosmic laws and the implications of the possible reality.
Strange, how people seem to always fall on a different side of the coin, despite the evidence that is presented to them.
There is no winning here man.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ginseng1]
#7788072 - 12/22/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I told my own sister about seeing this strange saucer shaped craft land about 50 foot away from me she said "I don't want to know" and held her ears.
She came in the room when me and my parents were discussing it and she ran back out, lol. She hasn't let me tell her, to this day she will hear nothing of it.
Sometimes its easy to stick your head in the sand and feel secure. I spent years not being able to goto sleep, constantly checking out the window, scared. Now I've lived with it long enough to just accept it but I'm glad I don't live where it happened anymore. It was a remote place, where I used to live, they could of done anything to you out there.
After all the abduction stuff I read about, I wonder if they are aliens, were they taking people from the village? The place was remote enough for them to of landed anywhere. There was acres and acres of fields behind the village, so I wonder why they landed so close to the houses. They/it landed right behind my friends house.
There were at least 2 other witnesses to this craft, we spoke and agreed it appeared to be a flying saucer and was probably alien.
I drew some pictures, they are in my gallery. Admittedly the drawings are lame though!
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ginseng1]
#7788083 - 12/22/07 05:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ego-Death is well versed in this matter, and he has addressed your skeptic remarks.
Fuzzy pics, hoaxes and boring abduction stories that I've already debunked do not address any of my points.
Read this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4702779#Post4702779
100 years. Where is the physical evidence?
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ginseng1]
#7788130 - 12/22/07 06:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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??? Who ever complained that geologists should drop everything and take up our "fantasy cause"?
Ego death, Shroomism and many, many others.
"Why won't scientists take us seriously and do research on the UFO phenomenon?"
I know this is going to be difficult, but are geologists scientists?
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i thought there was supposed to be a forcefield that kept you out of mysticism forum swami.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Diploid]
#7788142 - 12/22/07 06:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No physical evidence Diploid, explain this then:
Ministry of defense detects radiation from landed UFO...
Charles Halt - Commander US base in Bentwaters, England
http://www.alien-uk.com/evidence.htm
Just one of the many things you ignored.
You did a great job there of picking out reasons why you didn't believe any of it but your reason were weak and do nothing prove that these things didn't happen.
The first case for example, you claim the polygrapher was inexperienced, so on this basis you disregard the entire story?
How do you explain the rendlesham forest incident?
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: Ego Death]
#7788154 - 12/22/07 07:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I told my own sister about seeing this strange saucer shaped craft land about 50 foot away from me she said "I don't want to know" and held her ears.
What message is this supposed to convey? Perhaps she is afraid for reasons that you are not telling us.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7788156 - 12/22/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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also: i didn't read the whole thread, but mushroom trip.
in union square new york city. there is a kid who walks around with a sign that says "will heal or rap for food' or something similar to that. when i lived there he was out maybe 1-2 days a week in the summer at that park. some people recently told me they still see him around.
i followed him around for awhile watching him, and mainly he just like made people backs or heads stop aching.
but one time a lady flippently said "so can you heal my dog?" her dog was walking around fine, but it had a large scab on its knee. so he waved his hands over the dog (did not touch it at all) and then the dogs scab started profusely bleeding. the dog then began limping and had trouble walking. the lady said "what did you do to my dog" and he said "it gets worse before it gets better, it should be healed by tomorrow".
i didn't see him heal it, but he definitely made that dog bleed and limp without touching it.
if i remember correctly the kid told me he's cured cancer in people.
his name is te-devon. if you ever go to new york city you should follow him around for a couple weeks and then perhaps you'll get your proof.
also... just for the sake of argument. i've followed many many healers and psychics around... thats where i got some of my proof from. if you haven't spent time doing the same maybe you shouldn't be asking random people online to point you to a fox news article saying mystical healing finally proven.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7788161 - 12/22/07 07:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My skeptic rays can burn through a weak, mystical force field like the sun melts an icicle in spring.
The gauntlet was thrown and I responded. Simple.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7788166 - 12/22/07 07:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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also... just for the sake of argument. i've followed many many healers and psychics around... thats where i got some of my proof from. if you haven't spent time doing the same maybe you shouldn't be asking random people online to point you to a fox news article saying mystical healing finally proven.
No, I don't have to start following healers around just so I gather more data about that. The duty of proving that their statements are sustained, belongs to those who make the statements. For example, how can you prove that what you earlier said is real?  Why it is important to have a scientific validation, I have already explained (repeatedly) in this thread.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7788172 - 12/22/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: i thought there was supposed to be a forcefield that kept you out of mysticism forum swami.
I find it rather funny that the people who want swami out of M&P are those who are his most avid conversation partners. It seriously makes you wonder.
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fuck man. honestly no wonder no one can demonstrate proof to you. supposing people did have the ability to alter physical reality based on mental energy, judging by your ability to respond i'd say you must have more psychic energy than the whole mysticism forum combined. so if they're like 1 of you for every 100-200 believers i'd say we're fucked.
edit: this was meant to be a good natured joke, not taken literally.
mushroomtrip: i don't understand, so if you have interested in this wouldn't you want to go find out first hand? or do you only have interest in telling people who have had that experience that if they don't prove it to you you're wrong.
i'm sorry i'm not trying to be... unduly argumentative. but like i said, i've watched maybe a 100 healers do their work. that experience i mentioned is the only time i've seen an observable macroscopic physical effect from a healer... i've told you where he is and how to find him, why don't you have a friend or relative or complete stranger go visit him and report on the results?
i guess... if you care as much as me to know whether these things are true or not, why don't you take the time to find out. and if you don't care as much as me then why argue?
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7788186 - 12/22/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey if you guys are interested, last year i offered to bet money on whether i could spin a pinwheel using telekinesis inside a sealed container at the NE gathering.
i'll make the same bet this year if you want.
you get input in designing the experiment, you have someone there from your camp to witness firsthand, and it gets video recorded. the whole shroomery gets to vote on the outcome, with people that where there firsthand getting a larger portion of the vote.
i have to get odds on my money though, according to swami i should get roughly infinity on my odds since its never been done before, but i'll take something lower.
i can put up somewhere from 500-1000$ on this wager?
edit: infinite odds because its never been done AND isn't a real phenomenon.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7788361 - 12/22/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: hey if you guys are interested, last year i offered to bet money on whether i could spin a pinwheel using telekinesis inside a sealed container at the NE gathering. . i'll make the same bet this year if you want.
I missed the initial offer, but curious, what were the results last year....?
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truekimbo2 said: you get input in designing the experiment, you have someone there from your camp to witness firsthand, and it gets video recorded. the whole shroomery gets to vote on the outcome, with people that where there firsthand getting a larger portion of the vote.
Put that video up when you get it, I just want to know if it is humanly possible - without any physics tricks....  If it was something that was possible, I am pretty sure I would dedicate a large portion of time in trying to figure it out how to do it myself....
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7790313 - 12/22/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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no one took the bet last year, there was no test.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7790489 - 12/22/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Randi Challenge requires no money and pays a million, so essentially gives you infinite odds.
Not good enough?
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Ya brilliant tell the world you have psychic powers! Guess what happens next, you are working for the CIA! FUN FUN FUN Some people are so ignorant to the brutality of the police state we live in.
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Re: Whats wrong with the P+S heads? [Re: symbiotic]
#7791117 - 12/23/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This post is all over the place and makes NO sense whatsoever!
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