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Invisibletahoe
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Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints
    #7748686 - 12/12/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Do any of you guys ever look at the big picture when you are propagating green house gas emitting species therefore increasing your carbon footprint?
What are you guys doing to offset your footprint.
Please be part of the solution and not the problem.


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: tahoe]
    #7748720 - 12/12/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

HAHAHA:jiggy:


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: tahoe]
    #7748738 - 12/12/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So grow pot too ?


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: CollegeGuy]
    #7748740 - 12/12/07 11:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I hold my breath (decreasing CO2) while I'm cultivating those enviroment-destroying mushrooms. :rolleyes:    :gayflag:


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: eman113]
    #7748759 - 12/12/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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eman113 said:
So grow pot too ?



but what about the carbon based fertilizers and the cost of electricity to run the lights indoors?


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: tahoe]
    #7749328 - 12/12/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I thought you might say that.
You can always go with windmill generators and earthworm casting for veg and bat guano for flowering.
Pump your exhaust air from your mush. room into your weed room to encourage more growth as long as you have 50watts per square foot. Your excess co2 will used by the plants.


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: eman113]
    #7749546 - 12/12/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't drive my car when I'm trippin.


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7749636 - 12/12/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

By burying our spent substrates in the ground, they become natural fertilizer for oxygen producing plants. All carbon based materials emit CO2 as they break down. By allowing the mushroom mycelium to do this in a small, enclosed area, we concentrate and contain the CO2, while still breaking down the substrate material for later use in the soil.

You might say the very act of growing mushrooms reduces our carbon footprint.
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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7749709 - 12/12/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Verm and perlite must take a fair bit of energy to produce...


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7749891 - 12/12/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Plant a bush?


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: Funkatron9000]
    #7752077 - 12/12/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck a bush?

any way you look at it:cheers:


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: CollegeGuy]
    #7752373 - 12/13/07 01:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If a couple of us buy Priuses, everyone in this thread should be covered for a while. Will that work?


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7752457 - 12/13/07 02:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Verm and perlite must take a fair bit of energy to produce...




Not at all- but to transport and store, yeah :smile:


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: tahoe]
    #7752485 - 12/13/07 03:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

IMO unless you already own a hybrid vehicle and you home is powered by windmills and solar panels then i think its asinine for anyone to question and point fingers at others in regards to their carbon footprint. this leads me to believe this is some sort of joke.

but i agree with RR. spent mush compost fertilizes many oxygen producing plants and more than likely produces much more oxygen than co2 over the long haul.

as far as fungi causing "extra" co2 above and beyond what is already produced through natural decay on this entire planet. well id say closet growing has little to no effect on the co2 levels when looking at the broad scale of co2 produced by plant decay worldwide. especially considering that the plot of land your home or apartment is seated on produces less co2 from natural plant matter decay because no new plant matter grows and dies each year.


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: Civ]
    #7752509 - 12/13/07 03:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Verm and perlite must take a fair bit of energy to produce...




Not at all- but to transport and store, yeah :smile:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perlite
Perlite needs to be heated to 900c to be expanded into the lovely white stuff we get. I think verm needs the same sort of temperature processing not sure what temperature though.

900c has gotta take some power...

So cleaning and reusing Perlite rather than buying new has gotta help...


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7752517 - 12/13/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A lot of this "everyone needs to do your part, and together we can save the world" stuff annoys me. The "part" we can do is just a drop in the bucket when you compare it to industry and our means of energy production. The only positive change one individual can make would be to bomb an environmentally unfriendly factory or something. The amount of change individuals can have is equivalent to grains of sand on a stretch of beach, especially in the example you cited (buying a hybrid car or using alternative energy within the home are a little different). I love how oil companies and the government stress that we can each make a difference if we buy more efficient light bulbs and use our cars less, when they have the power to solve the problem, if they weren't so worried about their pocket books and buddys.


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #7752554 - 12/13/07 04:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree in part. Do you think industry is driven by demand? If so surely the individual effects the level of demand.


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7752571 - 12/13/07 04:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sure, to an extent. But still, the oil companies and government have no right to tell us to do our tiny little minuscule part, when they aren't doing their gigantic and extremely important part.

Sorry to go so far off topic, but I think RR's analysis is great. And I think the use of mushrooms is an important connection with nature, and can help us reflect on our impact.


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #7752614 - 12/13/07 05:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Sure, to an extent. But still, the oil companies and government have no right to tell us to do our tiny little minuscule part, when they aren't doing their gigantic and extremely important part.




I couldn't agree more. I cannot stand that kind of hypocrisy. If the existence of that hypocrisy prevents your individual actions does that not make you complicit?

A Gandhi quote seems relevant here "You must be the change you wish to see in the world".

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bhamlaxy said:
Sorry to go so far off topic, but I think RR's analysis is great.




Agreed, but it does only focus on the biological part of the hobby and not all of the other consumables that have during their manufacture, transportation, storage and sales also contributed to C02. I think once you have grown 100lbs of shooms and burried all the subs that is probably offset :smile: :smile:

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And I think the use of mushrooms is an important connection with nature, and can help us reflect on our impact.




:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #7752615 - 12/13/07 05:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

without carbon theres no oxygen. so looks like u need it!

stop trippin on global warming its for the better that the NEW WORLD ORDER is stopped


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #7753967 - 12/13/07 02:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The "part" we can do is just a drop in the bucket when you compare it to industry and our means of energy production.




This is true, ultimately your life is meaningless when looking at the entirety of humanity. So should you kill yourself? Or kill others? I mean, even if it affects 100 people around you, its only a 100 drops. That is hardly anything in a bucket of 300 million drops.

Really, you can't just shift your tiny burden off onto an energy company. Thats a cop out. You have plenty of choices. In texas, and many other states, you can choose your own energy company. I personally get my power from green mountain energy ( http://www.greenmountainenergy.com/ ). Doesn't matter how much power i use, my carbon contribution is zero from energy. I also avoid eating a lot of meat. I also drive a motorcycle.

Your argument that your contribution is so tiny is actually an argument why you SHOULD do your part. By doing your tiny part, you help the whole world and immediately gain nothing. If you blow off your tiny part, then you hurt the whole world and gain nothing.

I'd rather gain nothing and help the world rather than gain nothing and hurt the world.


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: tahoe]
    #7754403 - 12/13/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

every last gram of carbon that goes back into the atmosphere as a result of the mushrooms metabolising the grain, or us humans metabolising the mushrooms, was originally pulled out of the atmosphere by the grain to begin with.

and beside that, the carbon emissions would be negligible in the big picture even if mushrooms grew on coal.

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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #7755846 - 12/13/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The only positive change one individual can make would be to bomb an environmentally unfriendly factory or something.




Are you volunteering? Some midnight ops could really turn this globe of ours around, Fight Club style!


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Re: Cultivation and Your Carbon Footprints [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7756518 - 12/13/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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By burying our spent substrates in the ground, they become natural fertilizer for oxygen producing plants. All carbon based materials emit CO2 as they break down. By allowing the mushroom mycelium to do this in a small, enclosed area, we concentrate and contain the CO2, while still breaking down the substrate material for later use in the soil.

You might say the very act of growing mushrooms reduces our carbon footprint.
RR



Indeed. I think Paul Stamets made some similar point in talking about how mushrooms could help us fight global warming.


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