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Offlineleery11
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Soulmates
    #7748568 - 12/12/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Does the soulmate exist?

Do we have someone that can fulfill us in every way more than we ourselves can on our own, than God can?

Does God exist?

Do we have someone that can fulfill us in every way more than we ourselves can on our own, than another human can?

Do we exist? Do we have the capacity to subsist alone without the company of other humans in ways that can fuilfill us completely and leave us happy, exuberant, enthused, joyful, graceful, and appreciative?

Is the soulmate a syjptom of a deluded, diseased mind, ready to die for something, no self-esteem whatsoever, wishing to be saved from its capacity to make its own decisions? Is the soulmate ane elusive concept because it is a false God put into us through Mother Culture?

Is the soulmate just a neutral stimulus that we have decided to, in the process of figurative and psychic wrist slitting, and perhaps real slitting too, spew almost all of our blood upon, hoping that if we could just have a relationship with them, we would get that blood back?

Does human touch only feel good if you are in isolation for so much of your entire life, that you cry and tremble the first time your hand is held, finaly being acknowladged as a human worthy of love?

Does love exist?

Why does the mother experience intense love for the infant?

If you wish to speak in terms of chemicals, does this make your lie grey and empty?

If you want to speak in terms of spirits, does this make your lie more rich and meaningful.

Why does the keyboard make me type "lie" instead of "life"? Why is the F key stuck?

Think about, if you only believed that life was random chemicals. Now some people find meaning and interest in that, but I ask a question, is the world when viewed from the arm-chair scientist in any way mystifying or meaningful?

Ah, no, I'm just experiencing a chemical reaction that makes me feel this way, I don't actually love my child, balderdash! Is that the way, some paths, who want to reduce the spirit to chemical, lead, in extreme?

What about this, aren't spirits and chemicals the same thing? Isn't God and Self the same thing? Haven't we just changed the words around?

Pirsig said yesterdays spirits and ghosts are todays atoms and molecules.

So the soulmate. We have this idea, that when we are with someone, they can fill us with light, inspiration, passion, and love, and that this someone has to be a specific someone.

Now, why?

Can it be that, if I were to go to you, you that is reading this, and we were to take an agreeable amount of psychedelic together, that we would not for a few hours be mating with our souls, loving each other deeply, and discarding any fundamental differences as irrelevant, witnessing that we are all God-men and God-women and God-childs, and all the same mind?

If you think this somewhat plausible, as I do, given my observation of the psychedelic culture and its intense devotion to love, which is a reflection of the Guru and Hindu culture wherein someone has so much intense love for all creatures, that the need to discriminate upon just WHO the person is that you are loving is useless....... it seems as if every person on the planet is your soul-mate if you are of the Christ-consciousness. Subjugated in modern terms to chemical reactions it loses the mystery and benevolence, sort of. Or does it? Does it?

You can take the MDMA or LSD and feel of the Christ consciousness, and love every person you meet eternally and deeply as you love yourself.

If you have this love, do you need a soulmate? Don't you just need someone that will help, rather than impede or remain neutral, your path as a spiritual unit, care after you, hug and cuddle you, prepare meals, and give you material and physical and emotional support? Wouldn't this person then, normally a neutral romantic partner, the kind we want to throw away in our quest for something greater, be a soulmate if the weather in your dome changed and you had the perspective of the Godhead?

Is there really a soulmate at all that is any different from the neighbor that knocked on my door asking for a cigarette, the girl I fight with and who fights with me, and the girl you fight with and fights with you.

Now why would we fight?

Who is right, and who is wrong, and what is right, and what is wrong?

Would it be foolish to eclipse any feelings of real love felt and focus only on the problems, watching the problems increase due to your gaze until both parties break and destroy the bridge that brought them some goodness?

Isn't some goodness better than destroying some goodness in a Jihad and Crusade for some ideal, an ideal that left you broken, empty, hurt?

Have you been broken and empty and hurt by your quest and conquest for the idealized soulmate? Have any of you found a soulmate, someone so pure that each day you have great joy and tears of gratitude for the presence of this person?

Maybe there truly are mismatches. Maybe there truly are soulmates? Have any of you found them? Have any of you only been hurt and ravaged in your quest, to the point that you have buried any inspiration and aspiration for doing anything in your life or attaining anything, disillusioned and apathetic and grey, settling for stagnation at best?

What is the soulmate? Is it the most evil concept in the world, that teaches us to give all our emotions and wellbeing away to someone that doesn't know how to care for them, and can only trample them like swine?

Is it an illusion placed upon a neutral stimulus the way a fetish or a phobia develops, the way a looner could if I were kooky enough think that a trampoline in a neighbors yard is God and I must bounce on it and steal it from him when he isn't looking? Now, if that man felt that way, and bouncing brought him the highest joy, and refusal for bouncing brought him the highest grief, is he right?

Maybe we should color all the neutral stimuli positive. The US-uncondtioned stimulus, being perhaps MDMA, LSD, positive thinking,tpislocybin, and the CS being the entire world, so that we come to firmly believe that the entire world is our lover.

Maybe?

It depends on how you want to look at the entire world.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (12/12/07 12:29 PM)


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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: leery11]
    #7749216 - 12/12/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here's how I see it these days:

Soulmates don't exist, it's a myth that works fine for some, but not for me.

Love does exist, but it's not the abstract, magical myth that I believed in when I was a kid. There is not one person who is going to sweep into your life and transform everything with thier radiance. Neither of you will stop being the people you are, with the issues you have (and must deal with.) Love is about honesty.

If you want to get through the fights you're having with your girl, check your ego. Stop trying to transform her into your false fantasy of what a lover should be. Tell her you want to communicate honestly and openly and that you're willing to listen. Try to see what she says through her eyes. Admit that you have a lot to learn and don't have everything figured out. Realize that your models of love are abstract, unrealistic, and that this experience is an excellent opportunity to learn.


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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7749232 - 12/12/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
Here's how I see it these days:

Soulmates don't exist, it's a myth that works fine for some, but not for me.

Love does exist, but it's not the abstract, magical myth that I believed in when I was a kid. There is not one person who is going to sweep into your life and transform everything with thier radiance. Neither of you will stop being the people you are, with the issues you have (and must deal with.) Love is about honesty.

If you want to get through the fights you're having with your girl, check your ego. Stop trying to transform her into your false fantasy of what a lover should be. Tell her you want to communicate honestly and openly and that you're willing to listen. Try to see what she says through her eyes. Admit that you have a lot to learn and don't have everything figured out. Realize that your models of love are abstract, unrealistic, and that this experience is an excellent opportunity to learn.




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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: leery11]
    #7749510 - 12/12/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Soulmates only exist in the imagination.

More often than not... one person sees a soulmate... while the other sees nothing but a dud.


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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7749663 - 12/12/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Stop trying to transform her into your false fantasy of what a lover should be.




I suppose I could cancel her appointment with the plastic surgeon and get those new wheels and upgraded stereo for my ride instead...


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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7749732 - 12/12/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Stop trying to transform her into your false fantasy of what a lover should be.




I suppose I could cancel her appointment with the plastic surgeon and get those new wheels and upgraded stereo for my ride instead...




Stop trying to make your car something that it is not :razz:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7749771 - 12/12/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:
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Stop trying to transform her into your false fantasy of what a lover should be.




I suppose I could cancel her appointment with the plastic surgeon and get those new wheels and upgraded stereo for my ride instead...




Stop trying to make your car something that it is not :razz:




Stop trying to make your girlfriend something that she is not?

I don't think so.
But I do think so.


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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7749827 - 12/12/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Should I just lovingly accept my car for the rust-heap that it is?  :heart:


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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7749839 - 12/12/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's the only way you show her that you care :hippie:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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Re: Dave's not here man! [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7749857 - 12/12/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Nothing like auto-erotica. :naughty:


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Re: Soulmates [Re: leery11]
    #7749980 - 12/12/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My god that's a long post. I will have to go off the title and a little more.


In my experience soulmates are a big NO.

Humans are social animals and aren't designed for aloneness, which has nothing to do with soulmates.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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