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How can there possibly be a difference?
#7747677 - 12/11/07 11:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm very intrigued as to how there can be a difference between the effects of fresh and dry mushrooms in terms of the type of trip one will experience? Many people have a certain preference - some like their shrooms fresh, some like them dry - but how can it make a difference, apart from the amount you have to eat?
Psilocybin (psilocin, whatever) is obviously the active chemical in mushrooms that makes you trip, but how can it have a different effect on the brain depending on whether the shrooms are fresh or dry? It just doesn't make sense to me. It's like saying that the chemical build-up of psilocybin changes when the shrooms are dried, which to me sounds highly unlikely.
Someone please explain?
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: psychejam]
#7747688 - 12/11/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilocybin and psilocin are two different chemicals.
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: PoC]
#7747704 - 12/12/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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PatternOfChaos said: Psilocybin and psilocin are two different chemicals.
Yeah, psilocybin turns into psilocin when ingested and metabolised. But that's not the point...
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: psychejam]
#7747728 - 12/12/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well there are other active alkaloids in mushrooms that are psychoactive but theres not much info. A couple of the more commonly known are Baeocystin and Norbaeocystin. Perhaps when when dried many of the less researched psychoactive chemicals are destroyed. That would be interesting to look up but I don't have the time. Also keep in mind these drugs are psychedelic and work directly on the conscious. That being said, you get what you expect, consciously or subconsciously.
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: DeathCompany]
#7747758 - 12/12/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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why is there a difference in effects between cheap vodka and expensive wine?
same active ingredient, different effects.
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: pong]
#7747778 - 12/12/07 12:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: DeathCompany]
#7747781 - 12/12/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's definitely a perceptible difference. Probably has to do with how the drying process affects the balance of alkaloids.
My experience has shown fresh shrooms to be way more euphoric, almost like acid, compared to the dry ones.
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So which is better. Anyone's opinion?
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: adrian7812]
#7747794 - 12/12/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fresh shrooms rule. They're much more fun and free-flowing than the boxy sort of headfuck I usually get from the dry ones.
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I'll keep that in mind.
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: adrian7812]
#7747804 - 12/12/07 12:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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My suggestion should you ever get freshies is just chow down. I usually make a tea, but that's because I usually deal with dry mushrooms. The fresh ones have an awesome texture that chews up very easily. It feels like eating a flavorless orange.
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Just the thought that I'd have to eat 10 times the amount of fresh shrooms to get the same effect as dry shrooms makes me sick to the stomach. My entire stomach filled with mushrooms? No thanks.
Back on topic, I guess there is an answer for everything. I never thought there was a difference between dry and fresh, but now I have a few points to research.
Thanks chaps.
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: psychejam]
#7747837 - 12/12/07 01:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A final note: fresh mushrooms are WAY easier on your stomach.
Having to eat so much more sounds nasty, but it's only because 90% of a fresh mushroom is made up of water. You don't actually have to eat a bite more nasty stuff, you just happen to gulp down some water with it.
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: psychejam]
#7747839 - 12/12/07 01:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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10 times the amount? that 9/10 is water... i don't see what you're saying here.  I prefer fresh if i have to chew through them. They break-down a lot easier.
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: Great Scott]
#7747841 - 12/12/07 01:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: 10 times the amount? that 9/10 is water... i don't see what you're saying here.  I prefer fresh if i have to chew through them. They break-down a lot easier.
I've read plenty of times that to have the equivalent of a 3g dry trip, for example, you need to eat roughly 30g fresh. Or am I wrong?
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Re: How can there possibly be a difference? [Re: psychejam]
#7747852 - 12/12/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You do, but you only weigh out more because fresh mushrooms are engorged with water. That's what makes them fresh. It's comparable to eating 3g of dry shrooms and then drinking 27g of water.
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