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Mukasy backs voter IDs
#7747198 - 12/11/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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DoJ Argues for Voter ID Law in Supreme Court Case By Paul Kiel - December 11, 2007, 1:49PM
Signaling that things haven't changed all that much at the Justice Department, the DoJ has filed an amicus brief (pdf) with the Supreme Court in support of Indiana's voter ID law.
The decision to file the brief in and of itself will prove controversial, but beyond that, opponents say that the brief's argument would set a standard that stacks the deck in favor of vote suppression measures and against those who challenge them. Arguments in the case, Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, are set to be heard by the Court in January.
...In a statement, the Brennan Center for Justice, which has filed an amicus brief against the law and calls the case "the most important voting rights case since Bush v. Gore," denounced the Department's argument as an "extreme legal position." If accepted, the group argues, the standard set would mean "that there could be virtually no challenges to laws suppressing the vote before an election....
This means that any law meant to suppress the vote would have already accomplished its goal of disenfranchising voters before it could be challenged in Court. Their position, taken to its logical extent, would allow jurisdictions to suppress the votes of tens of thousands of voters before a single aggrieved voter could get their day in Court."
David Becker, a former lawyer in the Civil Rights Division's voting section and currently with People For the American Way, agreed that the brief is "extremely troubling," adding, "if the DoJ has its way, it will be easier for a state like Indiana to erect barriers on voters rights than it will be for Congress to protect those rights." The People for the American Way signed on to the Brennan Center's amicus brief in the case.
But Becker said that the DoJ's decision to file the brief is itself troubling. There's "really no legal reason" for the DoJ to weigh in, he said, since there's no federal statute implicated in the case. Becker drew a comparison to earlier instances of Department lawyers taking public positions on issues for seemingly political reasons.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004878.php
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: LucidDream]
#7747299 - 12/11/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn, that's kinda scary. I'll be watching this one in months to come.
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: LucidDream]
#7748481 - 12/12/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't understand the problem. Why do you think it's a bad thing that people must prove they are eligible to vote before casting their vote?
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: Phred]
#7748758 - 12/12/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because illegal voters are overwhelmingly liberals.
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: zappaisgod]
#7748803 - 12/12/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exactly! ..this no id to vote is for one purpose only! Continued Democrat Election Fraud!
We also need to do the finger in the ink deal! Maybe that would help stop them from hopping from polling place to polling place!
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: Phred]
#7749048 - 12/12/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phred said: I don't understand the problem. Why do you think it's a bad thing that people must prove they are eligible to vote before casting their vote?
It's a problem if politicians like Hillary Clinton want to give ID cards to illegal aliens. 
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: LucidDream]
#7749345 - 12/12/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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American citizens get to vote for the American president not anyone who happens to be in the country next November. seems fair to me that you have to prove you are a citizen in order to vote. we aren't asking people to take an iq test or anything they just have to prove citizenship.
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: Phred]
#7750747 - 12/12/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phred said: I don't understand the problem. Why do you think it's a bad thing that people must prove they are eligible to vote before casting their vote?
Prove they’re eligible? Why on earth should they? Safeguards are in place to make sure no one votes twice. Voter ID cards are a republican scam to intimidate and confuse elderly and low-income voters, who generally trend democratic. It’s just another way for republicans to shave off some more democratic votes.
The Justice Department admits there is no significant voter fraud problem in this country.
In fact, several Justice Department officials have resigned over their roles in firing US attorneys who refused to prosecute bogus vote fraud charges when urged to do so by the US Attorney’s Office. It’s all of a piece: create the public perception that vote fraud is a massive problem, and enact legislation making it harder to vote. The system works fine right now. Voter IDs are all about disenfranchisement of one party's voters.
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: LucidDream]
#7757807 - 12/14/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It’s just another way for republicans to shave off some more democratic votes.
If cards are enough to confuse them, they shouldn't be voting anyway.
If they are that easily confused they should be carrying ID so that those of us that stumble upon these poor confused souls may be benevolent and help them find their way home.
There is no valid reason not to require ID of those wishing to cast a vote.
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They should have them pinned to their jackets every morning.
Where the hell have you been? Shit's getting mighty deep with the libtards and the Paulnuts. Silly season comes earlier and earlier every time.
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: zappaisgod]
#7757863 - 12/14/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Where the hell have you been?
I pop in occasionally but find the rampant stupidity too much to subject myself to for too long.
You, pinkie and some others seem to have things well in hand though.
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It's getting to be mighty heavy lifting. Some guy on another thread just weighed in that the neo-con influence here was a touch overwhelming for him. It wobbles the mind.
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: LucidDream]
#7757876 - 12/14/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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LucidDream said:
Prove they’re eligible? Why on earth should they? Safeguards are in place to make sure no one votes twice.
The Justice Department admits there is no significant voter fraud problem in this country.
The system works fine right now. Voter IDs are all about disenfranchisement of one party's voters.
do you work for ACORN???
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189
"So, less than a week before the midterm elections, four workers from Acorn, the liberal activist group that has registered millions of voters, have been indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms to the Kansas City, Missouri, election board. But hey, who needs voter ID laws?"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23731
"Democrats and so-called voting rights groups such as ACORN, the ACLU and the League of Women Voters (all of whom are challenging the law) claim there has been little actual voter fraud, few federal prosecutions and convictions, and that the purpose of the Indiana law is to prevent minorities and the poor from voting."
The bi-partisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, led by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State Jim Baker, reported that the U.S. Department of Justice had conducted more than 180 investigations into election fraud since 2002. Federal prosecutors had charged 89 individuals and convicted 52 for election-fraud offenses, including falsifying voter-registration information and vote buying. That is why this bi-partisan commission supported laws that require voters to show a photo ID before voting using the Federal Real ID law.
LucidDream claims there is no voter fraud but i know he opposes requiring IDs because it would stop voter fraud.
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: zappaisgod]
#7757901 - 12/14/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Some guy on another thread just weighed in that the neo-con influence here was a touch overwhelming for him.
Truth to a liberal is like Pouring SALT on a Slug.;)
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I don't see what the big deal is. To me, the simple solution is for the federal government to set a minimal criteria for a voter registration card and let the states worry about it from there. The voter registration card would only matter in federal elections, unless the state wanted to use it for state elections as well. Minimal criteria might be as simple as proof of citizenship and photo ID. I had to show more ID than that to get a drivers license. Again, except for people are trying to defraud the system, I don't see what the big deal is.
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Re: Mukasy backs voter IDs [Re: Seuss]
#7758682 - 12/14/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seuss said: Again, except for people are trying to defraud the system, I don't see what the big deal is.
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