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InvisibleGrizzyCappy
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Cluster Headaches and shrooms.
    #7747048 - 12/11/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Most books I have and from what I've learned - one of the oldest uses for shrooms has been to treat cluster headaches. I'm wondering if anyone here has, or has had, cluster headaches and if you tried shrooms to help them out.

Problem I see with using the shrooms to cure the headaches: The headaches come on quickly, within 30 minutes. Even if you catch it the first 5 or 10 minutes, you'll still be at least 30 minutes into a suicide headache before you can even hope the shrooms to kick in.

So what's the deal with this? Am I, internet help me - doing it wrong?


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #7747184 - 12/11/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe powder the shrooms ahead of time, them put them in a lemon shot to decrease the amount of time it takes for uptake.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: Chemical Swirl]
    #7747194 - 12/11/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps the Shroomery has finally found a legitimate medical use for the lemon juice shot method. :wink:


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: Chemical Swirl]
    #7747231 - 12/11/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Chemical Swirl said:
Maybe powder the shrooms ahead of time, them put them in a lemon shot to decrease the amount of time it takes for uptake.




Maybe a little experimentation is in order. I know the lemon juice will up the psychedelic effects also. And despite the fact that I enjoy a trip here and there, it doesn't fit into a lot of things I have to do in daily life.

So, I wonder - will a low dose still do the trick to cure the headache, or is a full-on trip required?


This would not only be a good use, but virtually a life saver. They don't call them suicide headaches for nothing. I grab my head and writhe in pain for 2 hours. Can't talk, barely move. Half my face paralyzed basically. Complete incapacitation. By simply having to witness it, it makes my wife cry. Imagine, a pain so bad it makes someone else cry just watching you suffer...

PS: Wiki says medical journals list it as the "most severe pain condition known to mankind". I've had broken ribs. I've had "gout". I know pain. I can deal with pain. This is beyond anything I've ever imagined could be possible.


Edited by GrizzyCappy (12/11/07 09:45 PM)


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #7747303 - 12/11/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Store tea in your fridge for quick access in a thermos or something. Also, it extends remission period. That should be considered good right?


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7747357 - 12/11/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its suppose to decrease the severity/frequency of cluster headaches. Not sure but I think I read its was suppose to be a more long term sort of thing.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: newlife]
    #7747418 - 12/11/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think lsd is supposed to have the same effect, in either case you could extract the psilocybin and IV it, same with lsd.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #7747421 - 12/11/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i have a friend whose wife used mushrooms for this purpose..

apparently about 1g every 2-3 months was enough to help keep her headaches under control for the next 2-3 months.. when she got a minor onset of a headache, she would take her next dose. I haven't done any reading on the matter, as it's not something that effects me.. but, as he described it, it basically re-wired her for a period of several months.

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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: Yoschie99]
    #7750808 - 12/12/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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i have a friend whose wife used mushrooms for this purpose..

apparently about 1g every 2-3 months was enough to help keep her headaches under control for the next 2-3 months.. when she got a minor onset of a headache, she would take her next dose.  I haven't done any reading on the matter,  as it's not something that effects me.. but, as he described it, it basically re-wired her for a period of several months. 
yos-




Holy shit.  That's one of the most beautiful things I've ever read or heard.

And I would imagine LSD could do the same.  But I've been trying like crazy to hook up for the last 5 years+, and have only found it once, and not enough of it.  :frown:

So, while not by choice, I'm stuck with shrooms so to speak.
I'm a little too old(mature) to go out to bars, or shows, or parties.  A lot of young kids may think I'm a cop because I'm clean cut nowadays.  My close friends have an ear out for me, so we'll see.

Until then, shrooms are it.

I'll let ya'll know how my treatment of my headaches with shrooms goes, after sufficient time and experience has passed that I may render judgement on it.

(And honestly, I do have one precious hit of acid left, hidden.  So maybe I'll do a comparison or something.  We'll see.)

Thanks for your input folks.  If anyone has anything else on the subject, please chime in.  This means so very much to me and my family.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #7751099 - 12/12/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Grizzy, did you get into mushrooms for this reason or did you learn about it afterwards?


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7758171 - 12/14/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

BTW, I believe shrooms (and LSA etc) are meant to be used as a preventative measure, not to end a cluster headache in progress. Talk about a bad trip!


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: MotorCityMadman]
    #7758939 - 12/14/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

this topic really interests me. I suffered from severe migraines for a long time, and after my first dose of mushrooms, my 3-4 times a month migraines stopped, completely. I've taken a break of up to a year between doing mushrooms, and still, no migraines. I wish there was more research into this topic!


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: skateordont]
    #7759846 - 12/14/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

From the MAPS site:

October 30, 2007
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MAPS President Rick Doblin, PhD, spoke at the second annual Clusterbusters conference in Austin, Texas, held from October 26-28. At a Clusterbusters business meeting after the conference, MAPS donated $26,000 to Clusterbusters for the protocol development and approval process for LSD/psilocybin cluster headache research. Clusterbusters and McLean Hospital, Harvard Medical School, have entered into an agreement calling for Clusterbusters to cover expenses related to protocol development and FDA, IRB and DEA approval for studies at McLean into the use of LSD and psilocybin in the treatment of cluster headaches. MAPS' donation will further Clusterbusters' funding of its contract with McLean Hospital. Dr. John Halpern is leading the LSD/psilocybin cluster headache research effort at McLean Hospital.

LSA RESEARCH

LSA: IN PROGRESS
Case Series: Response of Cluster Headache to Self-Administered Lysergic-Acid-Amide-Containing Seeds
Investigator: R. Andrew Sewell MD
Contact: R. Andrew Sewell MD

Sponsor: MAPS
Inspired by reports from the cluster headache community that ingestion of seeds containing LSA (Hawaiian baby woodrose, morning glory, Rivea corymbosa) terminates cluster periods in the same way that LSD and psilocybin do, this study will examine the effects of LSA on cluster headache by collecting accounts from patients who have used these seeds to control their symptoms, and will also analyze the seeds that they used in order to determine the LSA content.

At the World Psychedelic Forum 2008 in Basel, Switzerland (21-24 March 2008), Andrew Sewell, M.D., will be presenting preliminary information about his research on “Response of Cluster Headache to Seeds Containing Lysergic Acid Amide.”


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7771883 - 12/17/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

AlCapwn said:
Hey Grizzy, did you get into mushrooms for this reason or did you learn about it afterwards?




No. I'm older now. Been into shrooms and acid for a long time. Just recently had a car accident that made me feel like my brains were blown out the back. Since then, these headaches have been putting me down.

Are shrooms 100% illegal? Or can a doctor, after trying everything else - prescribe them?

PS: And Bolus, I'd love to talk to MAPS and offer myself for any experiment with LSD. Oh my. Oh yes, indeed.


Edited by GrizzyCappy (12/17/07 09:56 PM)


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #7771892 - 12/17/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i have a friend who eats mushrooms or acid anytime they have a headache... any type of headache.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #7771893 - 12/17/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A friend of mine has headaches 24/7. Acid makes them go away for awhile. Longer than just the trip. Days, sometimes weeks.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: Ness1]
    #7772924 - 12/18/07 06:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I get headaches from spinal Arthritis.
shrooms help sometimes and sometimes mescaline helps but the most amazing thing I have tried for it has been Amanita Muscara Washingtons state grade A++ caps.
It was more of a dunken kinda feeling but very very smooth and my headache just went right away.
Another thing that took away my headache on the spot was Salvia. But that just didn't last that long.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: cpw1971]
    #7773232 - 12/18/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, I have never heard of anyone else having this condition. I've had cluster headaches for almost a year now, but I've only had three real "clusters". It would always start right when I was trying to go to sleep, and it would happen every day for between 5 and 7 days. Then, they would just stop. I can relate to GrizzyCappy, these things are excruciating. Mine never lasted more than an hour and a half, but those 90 mins were the most painful times ever. I have only had a few broken bones, so I don't really have anything to compare to, but it is literally debilitating. I haven't gotten a cluster in a few months, but next time one comes around I'll definitely look into this.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: TylerxDurden]
    #7773623 - 12/18/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There is a lot I can say about this. I used to do tons of L and shrooms from 88 to 94, got busted selling L and stopped taking them for a while. Actually I stopped taking mushrooms a while before after a few heavy duty doses.
Years later I started getting severe headaches, went to see Dr's 3 times thinking it was a sinus infection or something. Would get them about 3-5 times a year lasting 1-2 weeks about 2-3 times a day at about the same times. I Never got any treatment that helped with the headaches.
I also am a avid morel hunter, so oneday I'm looking around at morel sights and somehow get linked to a site I've never seen, the Shroomery. Being an old acid-head I had to look around and found something on cluster headaches, and a link to clusterbusters. Sure enough, that was my problem. Didn't always work right away, but did help stop the cycle. Haven't had one for almost 2 years now and am ever grateful to this site.
I only do acid about 5 times a year now, compared to the 5 times a week back on Dead tour days, but usually will eat a few grams at every run of shows I catch now more as a preventitive measure than for the trip. I'm sure the hundreds of ten strips I've done have something to do with my seritonin release and headaches, but at least I'm not banging my head on the wall crying, feeling like someone is pounding a railroad spike in my eye.
I tried growing mushrooms back in highschool with no luck, but after finding this site they seem to be popping out of my composte bin a few times a year? Also found some kind souls and ran into a few others I kicked it with back in the day (see crystal to blotter thread).
Have fun, BE SAFE, and keep spreading the love my brothers and sisters.
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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #7773872 - 12/18/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I help cluster people all the time.
Free syringes...and it helps.
They are the worst as far as pain goes.
I am glad to help these people

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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: ralphster44]
    #7778681 - 12/19/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

thats awesome :smile:


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: ralphster44]
    #7779486 - 12/19/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

For treatment of cluster headaches a low dose is okay. From what I've read you shouldn't need a full blown dose, but just threshold to have the effects you desire.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: ralphster44]
    #15282378 - 10/26/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

And we THANK YOU with all our hearts Ralphster!

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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: clusterhead48]
    #15283740 - 10/26/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ive done alot of research on the cluster headache mushroom thing. the mushroom teas have been proven in ALOT of people to stop headaches entirely for MONTHS at a time even with doses small enough to not get a buzz off of. the people with cluster headaches know how terrible they can be another name for clusters is suicide headaches because people describe literally wanting to kill themselves from the pain but time and again shrooms have proven in TINY doses on a theraputic schedule to stop them from ever coming on again. its really very interesting and it seems to be THE BEST medicine for them. All the other meds just lower or dull the pain but its still debilitating. cool shit for sure.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15284197 - 10/27/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:oldthread:

But in case this ever comes up on google for someone contemplating mushrooms for their condition:

My best friend was diagnosed with cluster headaches about 18 months ago, he tried a dozen different medications his doctor threw at him, eventually got referred to a neurologist who couldn't help either. He had done shrooms before his headaches started, but was worried to try them at this point because he was afraid if such intense pain came on during a trip that his psyche would be permanently damaged. Well, his attacks quickly got worse and worse and eventually got to the point where he couldn't help but scream when one came on.

So about 7 months ago we split 3.5g in some mushroom tea. The trip went great and he hasn't had a headache since. He credits the mushrooms entirely.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: OnePerEyeM8]
    #15284351 - 10/27/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

absolutely like i said most people that get them arent really into tripping and even at low doses, low enough to not even get a buzz they effects were profound and worked.


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15284653 - 10/27/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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ralphster44 said:
I help cluster people all the time.
Free syringes...and it helps.
They are the worst as far as pain goes.
I am glad to help these people

Ralphster44




You just converted me to using your services :thumbup:

I've been very happy with the effects that LSD has had on my cluster headaches. I take LSD recreationally 1-2 times a month. An added bonus to the awesome trips is that I don't have any cluster headaches for the next couple of weeks, maybe even months.

But LSD is very expensive, especially when compared to growing one's own shrooms. How can I get in on this generous syringe offer that you have made?


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Re: Cluster Headaches and shrooms. [Re: healing]
    #15284705 - 10/27/11 05:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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healing said:
Quote:

ralphster44 said:
I help cluster people all the time.
Free syringes...and it helps.
They are the worst as far as pain goes.
I am glad to help these people

Ralphster44




You just converted me to using your services :thumbup:

I've been very happy with the effects that LSD has had on my cluster headaches. I take LSD recreationally 1-2 times a month. An added bonus to the awesome trips is that I don't have any cluster headaches for the next couple of weeks, maybe even months.

But LSD is very expensive, especially when compared to growing one's own shrooms. How can I get in on this generous syringe offer that you have made?





well just so you know when you buy any syringe you get a free syringe of the strain of the month all you gotta do is ask for it. =O


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