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moeburn
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Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks!
#7746420 - 12/11/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sign the petition! http://www.avaaz.org/en/another_canadian_climate_crime/
International officials and experts have named Canada the worst country in the world on climate change as a result of PM Harper’s climate plan: wreck any chance of an international agreement being reached at the UN summit in Bali this week.
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Silversoul
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: moeburn]
#7746430 - 12/11/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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moeburn said: International officials and experts have named Canada the worst country in the world on climate change
You mean it's not the US??? Woohoo! We're number 2! We're number 2! We're number 2!
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WScott
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: moeburn]
#7746505 - 12/11/07 06:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, sent it to a bunch of people. Do these petitions even do anything though?
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bodynotdead
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: WScott]
#7746649 - 12/11/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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“The UN conference is a complete waste of our time and your money and we should no longer pay the slightest attention to the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,)” LINK
“Government officials and activists flying to Bali, Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.” LINK
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Luddite
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: bodynotdead]
#7746764 - 12/11/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh Boy! That's means more dividends for me from the Canadian oil and gas trusts.
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SummerOfLove
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: Luddite]
#7747614 - 12/11/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I fucking hate Harper, he wants to adopt the filthy american doctrines, god damn neocons....
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Seuss
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: SummerOfLove]
#7748048 - 12/12/07 04:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> I fucking hate Harper, he wants to adopt the filthy american doctrines, god damn neocons....
I don't care for Harper. Not all Americans are hippies... most of them actually shower and are not filthy... and not all Americans are neo-cons. Finally, and unfortunately, I agree with Harper with respect to climate change and the UN.
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lonestar2004
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: moeburn]
#7748420 - 12/12/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper once called the Kyoto accord a "socialist scheme" designed to suck money out of rich countries, according to a letter leaked Tuesday by the Liberals.
Harper 'O8!
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SlashOZ
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: lonestar2004]
#7749351 - 12/12/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'm glad such forward thinking individuals are able to get elected in canada. now hopefully we will get people who can see the big picture for the us next november. what if we got rudy to get us into a war with iran? how fun that would be! maybe they could ban gay marraige and make stem cell research take even longer to get results. gotta love the neocon nonsense.
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Silversoul
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: lonestar2004]
#7749424 - 12/12/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Prime Minister Stephen Harper once called the Kyoto accord a "socialist scheme" designed to suck money out of rich countries, according to a letter leaked Tuesday by the Liberals.
What he doesn't realize is that cutting greenhouse emissions will actually save us money, because if you're using less fuel, you don't have to buy as much.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: Silversoul]
#7749478 - 12/12/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Which is all well and good, silversoul, but if you spend $1,000 to save $100 of fuel you haven't saved any money at all, have you? You can spend thousands of dollars putting R100 insulation in a house but the structure will fall down before you recoup the investment in fuel savings.
Harper is right. Global warming is essentially a socialist scam. Aside from being total bullshit, it's bullshit targeted to curtail the wealthy.
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7749590 - 12/12/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you don't think humans can and are impacting global climate then I have lost even more respect for you Zappa. I'm not for all this alarmist nonsense about the icecaps melting and killing everyone, but thats not the issue here. The issue is 100 years form now when the world is fucked because we didn't do anything now.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: xFrockx]
#7749655 - 12/12/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The idea that CO2 drives climate change is ridiculous. If you want to know what drives the temperature of the earth look up in the sky on a sunny day. Don't look up when it's raining, though, you might drown.
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lonestar2004
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7749680 - 12/12/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you want to know what drives the temperature of the earth look up in the sky on a sunny day. Don't look up when it's raining, though, you might drown.
horrid asshole
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Seuss
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: Silversoul]
#7749789 - 12/12/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What he doesn't realize is that cutting greenhouse emissions will actually save us money, because if you're using less fuel, you don't have to buy as much.
Yes, that is how it works in fantasy land. Unfortunately, in the real world, things are different. (Please don't take offense at my term fantasy land. Fantasy land becomes real world if all countries are held to the same standard.)
What really happens... "developing" countries, such as India and China, are exempt under Koyoto. Rather than pay more for "green tech", businesses will outsource their production to countries that are exempt from pollution controls. Prices and pollution will both go up due to shipping costs, jobs will be lost at home.
Koyoto is flawed. Until all countries are held to the same standard, regardless of wealth or population, any sort of agreement is nothing more than a bunch of people patting themselves on the back for pretending to have done something.
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Silversoul
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: Seuss]
#7749812 - 12/12/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I suggest you guys read Natural Capitalism by Paul Hawken and Amory Lovins. They go into great detail about the cost-cutting smart design measures that can be taken by companies which greatly reduce their energy needs. You might want to look into how much Texas Instruments saved with their latest factory by using the latest innovations in smart building design. While you're at it, why not inform them that they're living in fantasy land? I don't think they got the memo.
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Silversoul
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7749834 - 12/12/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The idea that CO2 drives climate change is ridiculous. If you want to know what drives the temperature of the earth look up in the sky on a sunny day. Don't look up when it's raining, though, you might drown.
Oh, you mean that thing that's been burning since before the earth was formed? Funny, I don't see it being anything new. The flux in solar radiation has conformed to climate change in the past, but it if you study the graphs, there's a sharp split between the two over the past 20 years. Meanwhile, when you add greenhouse gases to the equation, then the graph starts to make more sense.
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SlashOZ
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: Silversoul]
#7749948 - 12/12/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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for some people the quote "open ears, closed minds" rings a bell...
global warming = reality
neocons = fantasyland
-------------------- "Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose "Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS "When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi "Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson. "Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)
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WScott
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: SlashOZ]
#7750108 - 12/12/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read in the newspaper today that 'China' says that American's should stop living so luxuriously, preempted by talks about regulations for environmental improvement. According to the article, America produces six times more pollution per capita than China, but because of China's population, they produce a lot more overall. It is situations like this, I believe, that will hinder any hope of an international standard - though something definitely needs to be done.
If solar energy could be taxed, we would not even be discussing this right now.
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Seuss
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Re: Stop Stephen Harper from blocking UN climate talks! [Re: SlashOZ]
#7750114 - 12/12/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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SlashOZ said: for some people the quote "open ears, closed minds" rings a bell...
global warming = reality
neocons = fantasyland
Great, you can play follow-the-leader. It would be nice if you contributed to the debate by adding something new.
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