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I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever
    #7744896 - 12/11/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

sure you can find meaning in it, if you really bend the vague concepts to symbolize this and pin it to whatever you feel like, but you can do that with a fortune cookie as well.

There are very few things in this world that bother me more than someone trying to tell me about a dream, and then elaborate as to why it was so cathartic and meaningful.

IMO, they are conglomerations of RMA.... Random memories accessed (as opposed to the access being random which denotes the capability of a computer rather than the type of output).
events perceived by your senses during sleep can trigger a certain block of relevant memories.... so it is basically like one of those ad libs where you or your environment is setting the structure of the plot and your restless brain keeps supplying you with non-sequitur memories or qualities.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7744933 - 12/11/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i believe dreams are little dmt trips

do you believe in dmt trips?


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7744940 - 12/11/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I dont see any correlation really.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7744945 - 12/11/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How can I hope to convince someone who doesn't believe in psychology? :shrug:


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: Silversoul]
    #7744971 - 12/11/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well, you probably cant, but this really isnt about trying to convince me.
I would like to hear your "scientific" psychological explanation as to why I might be wrong.

spare us if you are going to dribble the whole "dreams are a representation of your subconscious hopes and desires" crap.

If I am sleeping and my silk sheets rub my flaccid cock the right way, it would be an external stimulus that would probably conjure up memories of past girls I have wanted to bang, or have banged... not because I am subconsciously lonely and want a kid.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7744977 - 12/11/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If I am sleeping and my silk sheets rub my flaccid cock the right way, it would be an external stimulus that would probably conjure up memories of past girls I have wanted to bang, or have banged... not because I am subconsciously lonely and want a kid.



And yet that would still be a manifestation of the subconscious. Any way you slice it, the subconscious rules over dreamtime.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: Silversoul]
    #7745011 - 12/11/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if you consider your subconscious to be an extrasensory type of thing, then sure.... but it ultimately has no meaning.

either I am lonely, or not... there is no subconscious loneliness or horniness.
would you consider the random boners in high school to be a subconscious action?


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7745029 - 12/11/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The boner is not subconscious. The images it conjures up are.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7745033 - 12/11/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

dmt is present in small quantities in your body as im sure you already know. when youre in deep rem sleep, the dreaming sleep, your body is pumping out much more dmt than usual. ever notice how as soon as you wake up in the morning the more you try to remember your dream the less you can? awful lot like dmt trips where you begin to forget things a few minutes after you come back. they just seem to share a common nature to me.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7745047 - 12/11/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

man, this is somewhat of a touchy subject with me. but i guess we have never talked about dreams before.

quite often, i have dreams that end up playing out in the waking world. two or three days before that last show at windows, i dreamt of going up to the bar, ordering a beer, the red lights were in the exact positions, making the same shadows, bawn was playing the exact same song, and annoying girl was sitting in the exact place when i looked over at her.

i immediately realized what was happening (or had already happened) and then snapped out of the recall when the guy brought me a blue moon

now, this has happened on many, many occasions. i have talked with my mom extensively about it, and she has it too, on about as regular an occurrence as myself. i have been with her a few times where all of a sudden a dream memory becomes what is happening. and they are always within a few days of happening, and sometimes the details change.

one time, we were driving, coming up to harding towards town, and saw a cyclist in the right hand lane. he was wearing everything he was in my dream, bike the same color, the amount of light showing through the dull gray clouds was the same. everything was the same except in my dream, a truck struck the cyclist, in the waking moment, he turned onto harding as we turned left


i think dreams can most definitely 'mean' things inso much as they can show things that may/will happen. although, i quite enjoy my crazy fun, not physically possible, and deep, intimate dreams that are just dreams


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: demiu5]
    #7745111 - 12/11/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you know, that is something I have never been able to rationalize.

it happens to me also... but it is never anything of any importance, and only lasts at most, 5 seconds.
it is always me turning a certain way, someone saying something, and certain people being in a certain position.... then it is over.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7745147 - 12/11/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i've had a few intense or exact scenarios that have played out from what was a dream beforehand

i can't make any sense of it either, although, i know more people that don't seem to have this than those that do. these are important and special events to me. it's like being forced into being in the moment, as opposed to just slipping in.

usually my heart rate will go up significantly and my breathing will become heavier. my skin turned cold, white, and sweaty that incident with the cyclist because i really thought we were going to watch him get hit by the truck that drove within a half-foot of him.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7746410 - 12/11/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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dmt is present in small quantities in your body as im sure you already know. when youre in deep rem sleep, the dreaming sleep, your body is pumping out much more dmt than usual. ever notice how as soon as you wake up in the morning the more you try to remember your dream the less you can? awful lot like dmt trips where you begin to forget things a few minutes after you come back. they just seem to share a common nature to me.




Has the DMT thing during REM sleep actually been proven yet?


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7746432 - 12/11/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It is recently thought that these molecules are responsible for our dream imagery. They are, just like melatonin, released at night, prior to REM-sleep and interact within the central nervous system. DMT (Di-Methoxy-Tryptamine) and 5-MeO-DMT (5-Methoxy-Tryptamine) are such tryptamines and serotonin derivatives. They can produce colour imagery, out of body(like) experiences, lucid dreams, visions of beings and/or animals, mystical states, subjective "other realities" as well as experiences of "being somewhere else." DMT and 5-MeO-DMT can be extremely frightening when smoked or injected for the first time.




http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory2.htm


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: elcharrosays]
    #7746465 - 12/11/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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It is recently thought that these molecules are responsible for our dream imagery. They are, just like melatonin, released at night, prior to REM-sleep and interact within the central nervous system. DMT (Di-Methoxy-Tryptamine) and 5-MeO-DMT (5-Methoxy-Tryptamine) are such tryptamines and serotonin derivatives. They can produce colour imagery, out of body(like) experiences, lucid dreams, visions of beings and/or animals, mystical states, subjective "other realities" as well as experiences of "being somewhere else." DMT and 5-MeO-DMT can be extremely frightening when smoked or injected for the first time.




http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory2.htm




Key words, "...It is recently thought...", that implies they're not 100% sure but making an educated guess. Not saying it's not true though.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7746508 - 12/11/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

also, it's dimethyl tryptamine, they lost a lot of credibility there, clearly not peer reviewed


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: demiu5]
    #7746518 - 12/11/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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also, it's dimethyl tryptamine, they lost a lot of credibility there, clearly not peer reviewed




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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7746530 - 12/11/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dreams are in my interpretation something close to what you said. They seem to me to be the subconscious (autonomous nervous system) playing back events that sparked high levels of emotion in your previous exsistence in random order. This is helpful because the subconscious attracts to us what we desire if we have the constant correct method of thinking and we can control our dreams. Isn't REM 5 the most a person can be absorbed into their subconscious without the use of drugs?


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: extraordinary]
    #7746668 - 12/11/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i dunno i find dreams and the mind depends alot on your belief system. it could be tapping into a higher state of mind, it could be processing information and mixing it with stray bits of thoughts detail and imagination. most importantly though: it could be more than just one of these things.

in the same way in our conscious thinking we are able to solve mathematical equations, draw a picture out of a plan in the mind, thoughts that conjour up emotions of a wide spectrum.

personally i don't think dreams can just be explained by one thing. if it is the subconscious mind acting out: it is uncontrolled, you haven't learned how to steer it, or understand anything about it, so it could be a jumble of its many functions.

i believe there is definitely something interesting and useful in dreams, but that it is most probably overlayered with alot of junk, and if it has multiple functions, what you are searching for in a dream could be constantly different, making it even harder to get something valuable from them. dismissing dreams as nothing important when so little is known about the power of the brain seems unwise.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7747692 - 12/11/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Whether or not dreams are inherently "meaningful" is irrelevant if you consider that life itself is probably not inherently meaningful either. We interpret pretty much everything, so why not interpret dreams if in doing so one can arrive at some sort of insight or clarity on one's situation? Most of my dreams are random, chaotic nonsense that I forget within 2 minutes of waking up. But occasionally I strike a goldmine of interesting and eerily relevant symbolism. Random it may (or may not) be, but the content is still the content of my mind, drawn from my life experiences and emotional state at the time of dreaming or previously experienced. It seems that sometimes it comes together in such a way that it clearly speaks of something. If you want a scientific explanation you're going to have to dream on, because it's not the sort of thing that can be explained. We know next to nothing about the complex processes that occur within the brain, and science will never in a million years give any answers on how we should feel about what we discover. Science can't tell us what things mean, only how they function.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7747800 - 12/12/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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YawningAnus said:
I would like to hear your "scientific" psychological explanation as to why I might be wrong.




And I would love to hear your equally "scientific" explanations for why your untested and unfounded conclusions must be right and everyone else must be wrong.

Mod Edit: No Puppets or Flaming allowed in P+S! Thanks.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: pacific blue]
    #7749781 - 12/12/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

1) I like to think that my explanation is rather scientific.... more than the mystical explanation of vague symbolism that many people believe.

2) maybe you should get more than 10 posts under your belt before you start flaming people in here, and then maybe you would realize just how much of a pathetic attempt at discourse you just made was. If you want to debate why my explanation had no scientific basis... cool. If you want to give personal experience stories about how you constantly daydream about raping autistic children with turkey basters and how it is a reflection of your subconscious desires... then cool.
but what we do here is debate and discuss, and your post contained very little of either (if any)... and merely showed this forum how immature and inept you are as well as lacking any sort of social tact.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7749954 - 12/12/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dreams may not have any meaning, but they certainly serve a purpose.

One of the most important things we can do for our "spiritual" evolution is learn to lucid dream.
One of the best ways to learn how to do that is to keep a detailed record of our dreams.

I quit smoking cannabis 6 months ago just because it's the only drug that keeps me from remembering my dreams.

It's been tough, but I still have Sally and Cubensis...


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: Middleman]
    #7749978 - 12/12/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I had a lot of fun lucid dreaming, but I don't think it made me any more spiritually evolved as you say. Can you tell me why you feel lucid dreaming is important, Middleman? Do you mean it is important for you, or important on a collective level?


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7750012 - 12/12/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Right, I lucid dream now and then but I'm not all that evolved, but I feel like I'm evolving, slowly.
I mean it doesn't alter the persona as much as the essence of awareness that supports it.

I've just heard the ability to lucid dream is the key to navigating and surviving the afterlife experience.

The Ancient Egyptians, Shamans, Tibetan Buddhists, Taoists, the Sufis and Gurdjieff, Occult groups like the Theosophists, Freemasons and Rosicrucians, have all hinted at this in places...


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7750013 - 12/12/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It is a method of self education. Any form of it is welcome. :shrug:


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7750038 - 12/12/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think the processes involved in dreaming effect much more than the personality or conscious mind.

I think it was R.A.W. who said the the conscious mind is like a moth flying around in the football stadium of the subconscious.

Gurdjieff said that different aspects of the persona are literally located in different organs of the body.
J. Campbell said, "Dreams are the organs of the body in conflict with each other."

Science has recently found neurons in the stomach lining. Hmmmmmn...


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7764542 - 12/16/07 01:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I forgot what it's called but one theory is that dreams are just the brain trying to make sense of random firings of neurons.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: soulcircus]
    #7764775 - 12/16/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think it is pertinent,
that people believe dreams have important meanings.
I believe it is pertinent, because,
this kind of "rage" or emotionally fueled conviction is simmilar to
the conviction of epiphany, and the astonishment of deja vu.

so

belief in meaning of dreams
epihanic realization
waking dreams and
deja vu experiences

all have the same measure of compelling emotional resonance
as if a huge wake were formed by a large passing ship in the water of the mind -
while normally the wakes are smaller and more manageable.

separate from that issue in which layered experiencing occurs with intense resonance and correspondences,

some dreams are especially valuable in unearthing buried facets of a known thing; i.e. in providing a viewpoint that can help correct an unballanced habit, etc.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: Middleman]
    #7765363 - 12/16/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Right, I lucid dream now and then but I'm not all that evolved, but I feel like I'm evolving, slowly.
I mean it doesn't alter the persona as much as the essence of awareness that supports it.

I've just heard the ability to lucid dream is the key to navigating and surviving the afterlife experience.

The Ancient Egyptians, Shamans, Tibetan Buddhists, Taoists, the Sufis and Gurdjieff, Occult groups like the Theosophists, Freemasons and Rosicrucians, have all hinted at this in places...




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7730480#7730480

Dreams are SOOOOoooooo powerful. They as dreams are maybe the most important thing we do. Once you have the awareness to start having lots of lucid dreams you will start to uncover some startling things. Last night in a lucid dream I was having intense dialogues with people. Kinda like in the movie Waking life just the conversations seemed more meaningful and not so disjointed. I wish I could remember everything but it escaped me before I could write it in my dream journal. Right before my dream ended a dream character was just about to tell me the most important 11 things... Shitty I woke up. He started with Psychological barriers state... Then I lost it weird I was in an airport when the dream ended. Departure. Not only do dreams have "magical" meaning they also can provide things to better this life. If you become lucid in a dream you can practice skills such as playign a instrument or riding a bike etc and upon waking you will have a better understanding of your skill. It may take a couple dreams to really show progress. Regular nonlucid dreams might not have meaning but I still think if you really look deep into the dream and yourself you will find that it reflects your current status, hopeful future, or sad past. Dreams can give you a chance to face your fears with out going up to a spider and petting it irl. Can help you desolve any fear such as speaking infront of crowds. To say dreams don't have meaning would be a sad thing for mankind. If it is so meaningless why do we insist on doing it everynight?


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: pooppoop]
    #7765596 - 12/16/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

diurnal repetition doesnt make anything special or meaningful.

I mean, sure, I cant tell you that your dreams are meaningless to you, even in the face of nihilistic simplification... but really, what do dreams possess that allows for this deeply meaningful symbolism to be mined that cannot be taken from astrology charts, fortune cookies, cracks in bones and palm reading?
Dreams are so random and chaotic that there is an abundance of people/topics/places to form whatever "meaningful" insight you want to delude yourself into believing.
I mean, seriously what is stopping me from making some serious real life decisions, ones that could affect me for my entire life, because the night before I had a dream about groucho marx and I playing an intense game of badminton to see who gets to wear the 10 gallon hat?
and that is just one tiny facet.... 5 minutes maybe, in the world of dreams.... it is dwarfed by the myriad of Dali-esque plots and side plots that go on for those few hours.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7765603 - 12/16/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Meaningful maybe not. Important yes, but I can't tell you why.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: pooppoop]
    #7765872 - 12/16/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dreams are impotent?:confused:


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7765912 - 12/16/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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YawningAnus said:IMO, they are conglomerations of RMA.... Random memories accessed (as opposed to the access being random which denotes the capability of a computer rather than the type of output).
events perceived by your senses during sleep can trigger a certain block of relevant memories.... so it is basically like one of those ad libs where you or your environment is setting the structure of the plot and your restless brain keeps supplying you with non-sequitur memories or qualities.




So if dreams are just randomly accessed memories, how do you explain the phenomenon of people having the same dream over and over again? Not that I think this is proof of one side or another, just that I am interested in hearing your explanation.

It's probably just one of those things that is different for everybody-- some people's dreams may be specific and contain a lot of meaning, while some people's dreams are just random and meaningless. You clearly would fit into the latter category. But I think it's fairly close-minded to just dismiss people who like to characterize and interpret their dreams. Perhaps you both just dream in very different ways? Perhaps they just enjoy doing it, and what's wrong with that? Don't be so judgemental.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: jlw]
    #7765962 - 12/16/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i think you're partially right.

i don't believe you can dream and then have that any outward effect on you "coming into money" "falling in love soon" or any of that mumbo jumbo dream books offer.

however, i do feel that you can learn about yourself through them.
it is said you sometimes dream of what you want (or don't want) the most and this seems very very true to me. i never dream about what i'm okay with.. usually stuff i would LOVE or stuff i would HATE.

however, i am no scientist.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: jlw]
    #7766372 - 12/16/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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jlw said:
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YawningAnus said:IMO, they are conglomerations of RMA.... Random memories accessed (as opposed to the access being random which denotes the capability of a computer rather than the type of output).
events perceived by your senses during sleep can trigger a certain block of relevant memories.... so it is basically like one of those ad libs where you or your environment is setting the structure of the plot and your restless brain keeps supplying you with non-sequitur memories or qualities.




So if dreams are just randomly accessed memories, how do you explain the phenomenon of people having the same dream over and over again? Not that I think this is proof of one side or another, just that I am interested in hearing your explanation.

It's probably just one of those things that is different for everybody-- some people's dreams may be specific and contain a lot of meaning, while some people's dreams are just random and meaningless. You clearly would fit into the latter category. But I think it's fairly close-minded to just dismiss people who like to characterize and interpret their dreams. Perhaps you both just dream in very different ways? Perhaps they just enjoy doing it, and what's wrong with that? Don't be so judgemental.




well, if you want to know what my explanation for a recurring dream is.... it would be repetition and familiarity. If you go to sleep with a certain channel on, inevitably an infomercial comes on, probably at the same time you hit REm every night.... and all it takes is one word to trigger a "search" for images you associate with that.
but lets say that you sleep in a bed, with all the lights off, and in complete silence.... isnt that even repetitious? sometimes you can make your dreams take on a certain theme by just thinking of that topic as you drift off into sleep.

but that is just my theory on the whole thing...

but one thing that is factual, is that you are still a receptor of stimulii while you are asleep and those conjure up memories. Also, you are in a lower state of awareness, when you are wide awake, all of your senses work together to help you make logical assessments of reality... when you are asleep, not so much.
for example: when you are awake and your leg twitches in just the right way to make your boxers rub the tip of your penis, you probably arent going to think that some girl is grabbing your cock.... why? because the rest of your senses are telling you that you are alone and no one else is in the room to touch your penis.... but when you are asleep, you dont have those other senses working together to tell you that it is just your boxers and you can instantly become horny and start to think that someone is in fact touching your penis, which brings up memories (or hopes) of having sex with someone.


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7766484 - 12/16/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

dude thats the ugliest avatar ever, I don't think even skag ho BBS users have avatars that hideous. besides that's a twat not an anus so it doesn't really fit your name.


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    #7766621 - 12/16/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well, my full name is Yawning Anus, Gaping Vagina (starring Chow Yun Fat).... but it wouldnt fit.

I actually had someone send me a PM about how they were ignoring me due to my avatar.... but I marked it as an adult avatar, so you can always choose to turn off adult avatars.


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    #7766714 - 12/16/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ever heard the term "just sleep on it". Many people have had breakthroughs in arts and science from just sleep. They will have a dream that gives them insights to solving something amazing. The DNA molecule was discovered from a dream. I believe Einstein was a dreamer. Also people get inspired to create. Some of Beethoveen's pieces are dream inspired. The list goes on and on about people having dreams then upon waking SUDDENLY understand how to solve a problem.

Maybe each and dream doesn't have meaning unless you look for it, but on occasion some do.

Does this apply to meaning in dreams? Maybe is irrelevant but is maybe a partial answer?


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    #7767006 - 12/16/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

true, dreaming may just be a random play of the themes and archetypes of our subconscious, but that doesn't mean that everything from the subconscious is completely void of useable knowledge or information. sometimes i have dreams that come true, so to me that confirms that not all the information or sensory input experienced during dreaming is useless. if indeed we can transcend spatial and time limitations during dreaming then this makes it more than meaningful.

tibetan monks use dreaming practices to obtain sutras and teachings that are otherwise "hidden".


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    #7767179 - 12/16/07 08:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've always viewed that our subconsciouses is actually the animal side of our mind. If we have no control over our subconscious thoughts, can we assume that a lot of them are direct result of instinct? Maybe, maybe not, but isn't it our consciousness what separates us from the lower animals (by 'us' I of course mean apes)?


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: wyldeman007]
    #7779607 - 12/19/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i take a couple big fat GB's of blueberry before bed everynight...

Is this why i cant dream?


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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: large_dose]
    #7779615 - 12/19/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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large_dose said:
Is this why i cant dream?




Yes, :grin:


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