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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7747800 - 12/12/07 12:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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YawningAnus said: I would like to hear your "scientific" psychological explanation as to why I might be wrong.
And I would love to hear your equally "scientific" explanations for why your untested and unfounded conclusions must be right and everyone else must be wrong.
Mod Edit: No Puppets or Flaming allowed in P+S! Thanks.
Edited by Middleman (12/12/07 03:54 PM)
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SneezingPenis
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: pacific blue]
#7749781 - 12/12/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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1) I like to think that my explanation is rather scientific.... more than the mystical explanation of vague symbolism that many people believe.
2) maybe you should get more than 10 posts under your belt before you start flaming people in here, and then maybe you would realize just how much of a pathetic attempt at discourse you just made was. If you want to debate why my explanation had no scientific basis... cool. If you want to give personal experience stories about how you constantly daydream about raping autistic children with turkey basters and how it is a reflection of your subconscious desires... then cool. but what we do here is debate and discuss, and your post contained very little of either (if any)... and merely showed this forum how immature and inept you are as well as lacking any sort of social tact.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7749954 - 12/12/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dreams may not have any meaning, but they certainly serve a purpose.
One of the most important things we can do for our "spiritual" evolution is learn to lucid dream. One of the best ways to learn how to do that is to keep a detailed record of our dreams.
I quit smoking cannabis 6 months ago just because it's the only drug that keeps me from remembering my dreams.
It's been tough, but I still have Sally and Cubensis...
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: Middleman]
#7749978 - 12/12/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had a lot of fun lucid dreaming, but I don't think it made me any more spiritually evolved as you say. Can you tell me why you feel lucid dreaming is important, Middleman? Do you mean it is important for you, or important on a collective level?
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7750012 - 12/12/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Right, I lucid dream now and then but I'm not all that evolved, but I feel like I'm evolving, slowly. I mean it doesn't alter the persona as much as the essence of awareness that supports it.
I've just heard the ability to lucid dream is the key to navigating and surviving the afterlife experience.
The Ancient Egyptians, Shamans, Tibetan Buddhists, Taoists, the Sufis and Gurdjieff, Occult groups like the Theosophists, Freemasons and Rosicrucians, have all hinted at this in places...
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7750013 - 12/12/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is a method of self education. Any form of it is welcome.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7750038 - 12/12/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the processes involved in dreaming effect much more than the personality or conscious mind.
I think it was R.A.W. who said the the conscious mind is like a moth flying around in the football stadium of the subconscious.
Gurdjieff said that different aspects of the persona are literally located in different organs of the body. J. Campbell said, "Dreams are the organs of the body in conflict with each other."
Science has recently found neurons in the stomach lining. Hmmmmmn...
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7764542 - 12/16/07 01:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I forgot what it's called but one theory is that dreams are just the brain trying to make sense of random firings of neurons.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: soulcircus]
#7764775 - 12/16/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think it is pertinent, that people believe dreams have important meanings. I believe it is pertinent, because, this kind of "rage" or emotionally fueled conviction is simmilar to the conviction of epiphany, and the astonishment of deja vu.
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belief in meaning of dreams epihanic realization waking dreams and deja vu experiences
all have the same measure of compelling emotional resonance as if a huge wake were formed by a large passing ship in the water of the mind - while normally the wakes are smaller and more manageable.
separate from that issue in which layered experiencing occurs with intense resonance and correspondences,
some dreams are especially valuable in unearthing buried facets of a known thing; i.e. in providing a viewpoint that can help correct an unballanced habit, etc.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: Middleman]
#7765363 - 12/16/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Middleman said: Right, I lucid dream now and then but I'm not all that evolved, but I feel like I'm evolving, slowly. I mean it doesn't alter the persona as much as the essence of awareness that supports it.
I've just heard the ability to lucid dream is the key to navigating and surviving the afterlife experience.
The Ancient Egyptians, Shamans, Tibetan Buddhists, Taoists, the Sufis and Gurdjieff, Occult groups like the Theosophists, Freemasons and Rosicrucians, have all hinted at this in places...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7730480#7730480
Dreams are SOOOOoooooo powerful. They as dreams are maybe the most important thing we do. Once you have the awareness to start having lots of lucid dreams you will start to uncover some startling things. Last night in a lucid dream I was having intense dialogues with people. Kinda like in the movie Waking life just the conversations seemed more meaningful and not so disjointed. I wish I could remember everything but it escaped me before I could write it in my dream journal. Right before my dream ended a dream character was just about to tell me the most important 11 things... Shitty I woke up. He started with Psychological barriers state... Then I lost it weird I was in an airport when the dream ended. Departure. Not only do dreams have "magical" meaning they also can provide things to better this life. If you become lucid in a dream you can practice skills such as playign a instrument or riding a bike etc and upon waking you will have a better understanding of your skill. It may take a couple dreams to really show progress. Regular nonlucid dreams might not have meaning but I still think if you really look deep into the dream and yourself you will find that it reflects your current status, hopeful future, or sad past. Dreams can give you a chance to face your fears with out going up to a spider and petting it irl. Can help you desolve any fear such as speaking infront of crowds. To say dreams don't have meaning would be a sad thing for mankind. If it is so meaningless why do we insist on doing it everynight?
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: pooppoop]
#7765596 - 12/16/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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diurnal repetition doesnt make anything special or meaningful.
I mean, sure, I cant tell you that your dreams are meaningless to you, even in the face of nihilistic simplification... but really, what do dreams possess that allows for this deeply meaningful symbolism to be mined that cannot be taken from astrology charts, fortune cookies, cracks in bones and palm reading? Dreams are so random and chaotic that there is an abundance of people/topics/places to form whatever "meaningful" insight you want to delude yourself into believing. I mean, seriously what is stopping me from making some serious real life decisions, ones that could affect me for my entire life, because the night before I had a dream about groucho marx and I playing an intense game of badminton to see who gets to wear the 10 gallon hat? and that is just one tiny facet.... 5 minutes maybe, in the world of dreams.... it is dwarfed by the myriad of Dali-esque plots and side plots that go on for those few hours.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7765603 - 12/16/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Meaningful maybe not. Important yes, but I can't tell you why.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: pooppoop]
#7765872 - 12/16/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dreams are impotent?
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7765912 - 12/16/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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YawningAnus said:IMO, they are conglomerations of RMA.... Random memories accessed (as opposed to the access being random which denotes the capability of a computer rather than the type of output). events perceived by your senses during sleep can trigger a certain block of relevant memories.... so it is basically like one of those ad libs where you or your environment is setting the structure of the plot and your restless brain keeps supplying you with non-sequitur memories or qualities.
So if dreams are just randomly accessed memories, how do you explain the phenomenon of people having the same dream over and over again? Not that I think this is proof of one side or another, just that I am interested in hearing your explanation.
It's probably just one of those things that is different for everybody-- some people's dreams may be specific and contain a lot of meaning, while some people's dreams are just random and meaningless. You clearly would fit into the latter category. But I think it's fairly close-minded to just dismiss people who like to characterize and interpret their dreams. Perhaps you both just dream in very different ways? Perhaps they just enjoy doing it, and what's wrong with that? Don't be so judgemental.
Edited by jlw (12/16/07 03:00 PM)
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: jlw]
#7765962 - 12/16/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think you're partially right.
i don't believe you can dream and then have that any outward effect on you "coming into money" "falling in love soon" or any of that mumbo jumbo dream books offer.
however, i do feel that you can learn about yourself through them. it is said you sometimes dream of what you want (or don't want) the most and this seems very very true to me. i never dream about what i'm okay with.. usually stuff i would LOVE or stuff i would HATE.
however, i am no scientist. dreams may have no meaning to you, but they have meaning to me.
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Edited by igwna (12/16/07 03:12 PM)
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SneezingPenis
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: jlw]
#7766372 - 12/16/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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jlw said:
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YawningAnus said:IMO, they are conglomerations of RMA.... Random memories accessed (as opposed to the access being random which denotes the capability of a computer rather than the type of output). events perceived by your senses during sleep can trigger a certain block of relevant memories.... so it is basically like one of those ad libs where you or your environment is setting the structure of the plot and your restless brain keeps supplying you with non-sequitur memories or qualities.
So if dreams are just randomly accessed memories, how do you explain the phenomenon of people having the same dream over and over again? Not that I think this is proof of one side or another, just that I am interested in hearing your explanation.
It's probably just one of those things that is different for everybody-- some people's dreams may be specific and contain a lot of meaning, while some people's dreams are just random and meaningless. You clearly would fit into the latter category. But I think it's fairly close-minded to just dismiss people who like to characterize and interpret their dreams. Perhaps you both just dream in very different ways? Perhaps they just enjoy doing it, and what's wrong with that? Don't be so judgemental.
well, if you want to know what my explanation for a recurring dream is.... it would be repetition and familiarity. If you go to sleep with a certain channel on, inevitably an infomercial comes on, probably at the same time you hit REm every night.... and all it takes is one word to trigger a "search" for images you associate with that. but lets say that you sleep in a bed, with all the lights off, and in complete silence.... isnt that even repetitious? sometimes you can make your dreams take on a certain theme by just thinking of that topic as you drift off into sleep.
but that is just my theory on the whole thing...
but one thing that is factual, is that you are still a receptor of stimulii while you are asleep and those conjure up memories. Also, you are in a lower state of awareness, when you are wide awake, all of your senses work together to help you make logical assessments of reality... when you are asleep, not so much. for example: when you are awake and your leg twitches in just the right way to make your boxers rub the tip of your penis, you probably arent going to think that some girl is grabbing your cock.... why? because the rest of your senses are telling you that you are alone and no one else is in the room to touch your penis.... but when you are asleep, you dont have those other senses working together to tell you that it is just your boxers and you can instantly become horny and start to think that someone is in fact touching your penis, which brings up memories (or hopes) of having sex with someone.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7766484 - 12/16/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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dude thats the ugliest avatar ever, I don't think even skag ho BBS users have avatars that hideous. besides that's a twat not an anus so it doesn't really fit your name.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: eve69]
#7766621 - 12/16/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well, my full name is Yawning Anus, Gaping Vagina (starring Chow Yun Fat).... but it wouldnt fit.
I actually had someone send me a PM about how they were ignoring me due to my avatar.... but I marked it as an adult avatar, so you can always choose to turn off adult avatars.
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Re: I dont think dreams have any meaning whatsoever [Re: SneezingPenis]
#7766714 - 12/16/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ever heard the term "just sleep on it". Many people have had breakthroughs in arts and science from just sleep. They will have a dream that gives them insights to solving something amazing. The DNA molecule was discovered from a dream. I believe Einstein was a dreamer. Also people get inspired to create. Some of Beethoveen's pieces are dream inspired. The list goes on and on about people having dreams then upon waking SUDDENLY understand how to solve a problem.
Maybe each and dream doesn't have meaning unless you look for it, but on occasion some do.
Does this apply to meaning in dreams? Maybe is irrelevant but is maybe a partial answer?
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