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thedudenj
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meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself
#7744437 - 12/11/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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this was a strange happening. He was once a business man that gave it up and now peruses ayahuasca and using it as a religion. Strange shit the dude was a K addict for 10 years to and says DMT made him realize what was up. My only issues was he seem like he was in the direction but not fully there. His brew was just mimosa and caapi and constantly was like its all about the dmt while in a conversation with about 6 or 7 other people and im like nah man its all about straight caapi and the other plants and he wouldnt be open to that. strange shit.
my advise is to try every brew that you can my school of thought for that and the brews it to brew as specific and different brew for every occasion you can have some basic guidelines but ever brew should be carefully felt out no scales, no bureaucratic method to it just straight vibes. One point to be made he was just a preacher using it and didnt lay claim to being a medicine man. I have to fully agree that only medicine men and their students should only brew and if on the of case some one else is they should be under the wing(guidance,supervision,ect) of a medicine man. With out one this can cause people to use this stuff and just beat around the bush so to say, and not fully understand things. I might as well point out that im pretty sure i understand when they talk about why rival medicine men form,Why some tribes dont agree with the use of other tribes medicine and all of that conflict of use. My stand is fine if your gona oppse any school of thought go there and read all their books too. If you not willing to dive into as many other schools then well it just goes to show i guess. And a Key point is its not to take as many drugs or get as fucked up as possible its to blend and craft and see things from as many views while still being your self and taking your self further as well as gathering an understanding of other things and other ways, other minds. yes i did ramble abit... any who yeah any one else encounter other brews that made them think WTF is up with this dude wait til time has there toll they think their eyes are open now just wait. Specailly those who stray from 5-meo brews.
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Ness1
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: thedudenj]
#7744794 - 12/11/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Only medicine men should be allowed to make a tea out of some plants? That makes no sense and is rather pretentious. The best way to learn is to do. The original medicine men had no medicine men to teach them. So should they not have been messing around with the brew since nobody was there to teach them?
-------------------- I know what they'll find, it's in their mind, it's what they want to see. Spare me from the light, here comes the night and here I'll stay, waiting for darkness.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Ness1]
#7745814 - 12/11/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well to this i must say if your a medcine man your a medicine man regaurdless of wether or not you know it yet, it will happen and you will in a sense become one cause you always were. what your says is any one that picks up the stuff and brews can become one or is one and that sir i must greatly disagree from. Any who yes they do have a teacher and thats the plant teacher or great spirit and it teaches well and if you have alot of EXP in it somewhere along the line the great spirit will tell you what your role is it told me i must teach and heal
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Ness1
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7745826 - 12/11/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really have no idea what you're on about. You're practically elevating the plants to the level of gods. If somebody wishes to consume DMT + MAOi in the form of a tea made of some plants, they should be able to. Saying that only certain people should be able to do it seems rather silly.
-------------------- I know what they'll find, it's in their mind, it's what they want to see. Spare me from the light, here comes the night and here I'll stay, waiting for darkness.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Ness1]
#7745921 - 12/11/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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sigh ok if some ones gona give out RX drugs they should do freely too right?
do you have a complete disregard of why there are medicine men? second what do you consider gods then? Also this person regarded Mama huasca a a plant god lady. Have you encountered her yourself i have and sent her to people. And i guess sure if they want to consume it themselves with out guidance then sure eventually they will learn and get the message or give up cause its too painful. but they shouldnt be giving it to others in a misguided ceremony. Btw then again maybe your on of those people that dont care about all the magic invovled in it and just say take drugs and run around or something of the such. Plz explain are you EXPed in Aya?
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Ell Ess Bree
reppin state tostate, wat uneed?

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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: thedudenj]
#7745939 - 12/11/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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thedudenj said: My stand is fine if your gona oppse any school of thought go there and read all their books too.
That's god damn right.
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Ness1 said: You're practically elevating the plants to the level of gods.
Or is he bringing gods down to plants?
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7745957 - 12/11/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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this is a tricky thing where i say maybe all people are gods unless they say they arent and deny their rights. Namaste man i honor the god in every living and non living thing unless they dishonor themselves and plants and animals and rocks never do that only really people
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Ness1
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7745988 - 12/11/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have yet to have the pleasure of consuming DMT. I plan to some day. I just think that people should be free to do as they please. Psychedelics are so liberating. A person's psychedelic experience shouldn't be forced into some quasi-religious ideological structure.
-------------------- I know what they'll find, it's in their mind, it's what they want to see. Spare me from the light, here comes the night and here I'll stay, waiting for darkness.
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PoisonedV
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Ness1]
#7746031 - 12/11/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Give it a rest. Everybody doesn't have to be exactly like you.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Ness1]
#7746081 - 12/11/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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its not exactly that when you have the brew you will understand theres a spirit behind it and Even me myself can turn spirit from and appear to people as a closed eye Geometric being or make someone trip on it to in another state. It gets heavy into healing magik or what ever you want to call it. if you never have EXPed this then its hard to explain if someone told me about this before i XPed it i would tell them its bull shit i would tell Magik people they were bullshit up until this unfolded then i looked at my past and pieced things together i have been a healer all my life and the worse is improper use of it. Its a whole world that if you ever end up in first off you were always in it second you didnt realize and soon will. then you realize its inescapable that and understand life and living on a whole new level. its rather nifty.
the thing is that you dont realize yet its not like making a cup of green tea (tho i have to say there is a way to make green tea right for it to taste really good) but yeah its more then just tea theres a reason theres religions and societies based on it.
the point im making tho is someone not that EXPed and doesnt have good grasp shouldnt be trying to give it to people. He was rather against the whole idea of community and the healing energy circle. I dunno i guess i could just point out or rather us as an example one of the people with us didnt feel comfortable with him around while tripping and others just didnt really listen to word he said. Im just kinda against misperception and misinformation thats really all.
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Orbital_Saucer
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: thedudenj]
#7747157 - 12/11/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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thedudenj said: ever brew should be carefully felt out no scales, no bureaucratic method to it just straight vibes.
Because something like measurement would totally take the fun out of being spiritual, right?
I mean seriously, if you're going to do away with those, you shouldn't be using any chemical names (after all, they're just ways of counting and measuring substances, invented by "the man", right?
What's wrong with being precise? Or for that matter knowing your dose at all?
I must not understand, what with not being an enlightened shaman-type.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
#7747191 - 12/11/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ha ha the thing is you can feel the dose you can feel how much is it the peice of vine or leaf your holding and know. wieghting doesnt really help much since each leaf and section of vine or bark has its own personal content that makes it differnt then every other one. when i started i used to wieght everything till i learned that was not the best way. and as i said every brew requires a differnt amount one brew maybe would need 20g of something while another only 5g.
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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pong
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7747251 - 12/11/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I AM A SHAMAN!
LEARN FROM MY BREWS!!!!
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7747258 - 12/11/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree that the weight of a mixture won't tell you the amount of each of its constituents. But plants generally have a somewhat predictable alkaloid content. And don't tell me you can tell me what a 2 gram leaf is, and what a 4 is. With larger amounts it would get even more difficult.
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Sra_sephiroth0 said: you can feel the dose you can feel how much is it the peice of vine or leaf your holding and know.
Right...
Even if it were true, I would need a very special brew indeed to understand that "sentance".
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thedudenj
Man of the Woods

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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
#7748250 - 12/12/07 07:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont really feel the weight of the plants when i feel it out btw i feel out the content. i can tell how strong it is by holding it in my hand. its almost like i get the effects of the stuff thru my whole body depending the sample determines how i feel some big peices wont feel like a small peice of the vine and the strenght when brewed is equal to that feeling i feel. Could this be the drug content i dunno, but i can say for a fact the amount of energy it has in it soul what ever you wanna call it and yes some people can tell the differance between 1 and 2 grams by hand
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truekimbo2
Cya later, friends.



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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: thedudenj]
#7748391 - 12/12/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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you rock dudeNJ.
are you going to come to an NYC gathering some time? i'd love to meet you.
also i used to be part of this group called godmind, i'm wondering if you've ever met any of them in NJ. its run by a kid named miguel?
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: meeting a fellow brew that i didnt train myself [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
#7749913 - 12/12/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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cant say so but i do go to festivals tho i tend not to bring my brew there tho hippie people call one the things i might bring a brew. i love to bring a gallon of coca wine sometimes with fruit punch mix in it to fest occaionally carrying it in a hawaiian punch bottle. people love the stuff i see them a day later and their like wow can i have more tea.
-------------------- "You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain..."" you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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