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Mushroom a day experiment.
    #7744308 - 12/11/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So my girlfriend decided to try an experiment with some azurescens mushrooms that we picked. She's taking one a day. I know that to most of us, this sounds like a waste(I certainly thought so when she told me about the idea), but she very much wanted to try it, so I figured "what the hell...". She is very sensitive to psychedelics.

Well she's done it 2 days now, and both days she said she felt it quite a bit. Even more so the 2nd day. I find this surprising. Today is day 3, so we'll find out later how it treats her...


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7744317 - 12/11/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think I remember someone dosing everyday, and I think it led to some kind of psychosis... :goodluck:

I may be mistaken, but I don't think it's all that good of an idea. :shrug:


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7744321 - 12/11/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

God bless her.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7744325 - 12/11/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, but that small a dose? I would think tolerence would make it a null point, but who knows?


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7744713 - 12/11/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, tolerance will make it a null point. Idk about shrooms, but I find that after about the 2nd or 3rd day in a row, LSD won't do shit no matter how much you take. At most, you'll get a spaced out weird head feeling and maybe stuff looks kinda weird, but you gotta eat a shitload (we're talking a strip at least). I've never tried low doses everyday, just doubling up (i.e. 3 hits first day, then 6, then 12) but I'm pretty sure that if doubling doesn't work after a while, one shroom a day sure as hell won't do shit.

But I mean what the hell, at worst you're gonna lose a few shrooms. Might as well go for it I guess.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: skroomadoom]
    #7744862 - 12/11/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, she took another this morning, and she's feeling it quite a bit. She's VERY sensitive though.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7744890 - 12/11/07 12:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hehehe
cool experiement.
personaly i would try uping the dose everyday.
but if her tolerence is still no issue then... :laugh:

say hi to her from me
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: notapillow]
    #7745060 - 12/11/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks! Same to you. Sounds like you're having a good season too!


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7745120 - 12/11/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you coulda used less potent mushrooms lol. 2 cubes a day, dont waste the azurs!


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: haymaker]
    #7745189 - 12/11/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Good point. I've finally got some cubies coming on. I'll have to get her to switch to those. Although she picked them for that purpose, and she's only planning on doing it for one week.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7745274 - 12/11/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ummm....what is the basis for this experiment?


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: sandman_130]
    #7745318 - 12/11/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not really sure. She just had a wild hair to try it, so why not? We'll see where she's at by the end of the week.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7745327 - 12/11/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

how is she faring today?


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: notapillow]
    #7745559 - 12/11/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

she sounded good when I talked to her after lunch. She was feeling the effect.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7745635 - 12/11/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe its building up in her system, whats the normal dose?


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: primal21]
    #7745700 - 12/11/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

For me, it usually takes 4 or 5 to have much effect. Everybody's different though...


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7750056 - 12/12/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So, day 4, and she took it about 1pm, still feeling it a little now. I can't believe it. I suppose it could be placebo, but I belive her.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7750312 - 12/12/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Seems somewhat disrespectful to the mushroom if you ask me.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: sandman_130]
    #7750331 - 12/12/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Seems somewhat disrespectful to the mushroom if you ask me.




Some shrooms like that. :mushroomgrow::whip:


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: sandman_130]
    #7750339 - 12/12/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Seems somewhat disrespectful to the mushroom if you ask me.




i didn't know they had feelings.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: sandman_130]
    #7750382 - 12/12/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

In what way is it disrespectful?


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7750448 - 12/12/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Mushrooms originated on this planet (or from a different planet, but that's besides the point) for human consumption. Some pre-historic societies almost certainly had a diet that included psycho-active mushroom species. A study conducted in the 1950s found that at low doses, below the psychedelic threshold, psilocybin has a tendency to increase visual acuity among primates/humans.

I don't know exactly the effects of daily consumption at or above the psychedelic threshold, but I can't imagine it would have any negative effects. My best guess is that it would stimulate neural and nervous system activity with a positive outcome. Perhaps an increase in spatial reasoning, a more inclusive perspective of reality and consciousness... who knows?!

As far as respect goes, I return to my original point about the fact that mushrooms developed here for OUR use. If they are indeed an intelligent, alien life-form (which no one can know for sure) then it seems entirely unlikely that they would take offense to a person consuming them on a regular basis - as historical and pre-historical relationship between humans and psilocybin indicate.

I think it's a cool experiment and I intend to try a similar one of my own, only eating daily amounts below the psychedelic threshold.

Keep us posted on the results!


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: sandman_130]
    #7750473 - 12/12/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Seems somewhat disrespectful to the mushroom if you ask me.




get off your high horse.

this is like people her refer to lsd like its some girl.

nah, newsflash, its a drug.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: john706]
    #7750709 - 12/12/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7750773 - 12/12/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I used to take a tiny dose everyday, also.
It worked, everyday - just a little bit.

I could be around anyone and everyone and nobody would know except me.

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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: btb103]
    #7750840 - 12/12/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Mushrooms originated on this planet (or from a different planet, but that's besides the point) for human consumption.



I'm not entirely sure about that.


Mushrooms are trying to survive, just like other things that grow. They weren't "designed" with us in mind.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: GrizzyCappy]
    #7750869 - 12/12/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I used to take a tiny dose everyday, also.
It worked, everyday - just a little bit.

I could be around anyone and everyone and nobody would know except me.

:smile:




Awesome. I'd love to do that.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7751073 - 12/12/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is a perfect example of why drugs are made illegal. You have someone taking 1 mushroom a day for a week, who would stop the neighbor from eating a quarter a day for the next month.


Yes I understand mushrooms are a drug, but if you are looking for a cheap high why use a drug like mushrooms?



At the end of the week, when shes done taking them, what then?


I took shrooms for a week...

uhh...


lol.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: Querjek]
    #7752122 - 12/13/07 12:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Mushrooms originated on this planet (or from a different planet, but that's besides the point) for human consumption.



I'm not entirely sure about that.


Mushrooms are trying to survive, just like other things that grow. They weren't "designed" with us in mind.




I'm not entirely sure about it, either. But there's a lot of evidence that suggests it's so. I'm not going to really get into it here, because I know I can't do the argument justice. But if you look around, there's a lot of literature that points to the very possibility that mushrooms were central to the development of human consciousness as we know it today. They may also have been responsible for the evolution of proto-hominid forms to the anatomically modern homo sapiens (us). Combine this with the remarkably similar experiences reported by users of mushrooms and other mind-manifesting substances across cultural and geographic lines and you have a recipe for a class of plants that were in fact "designed with us in mind."

It's not just speculative literature from psychedelic explorers like Terence McKenna and Timothy Leary, either... but archaeologists, anthropologists, ethnobotanists, investigative journalists, and so on. Using methods as varied as their respective sciences, academics are building a strong case.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #7752378 - 12/13/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I think I remember someone dosing everyday, and I think it led to some kind of psychosis... :goodluck:





link!?!?!?

i thought that was b.s.  like growing hair on your palms.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: kotik] * 1
    #7752478 - 12/13/07 02:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think there is any reason to get bent out of shape over this experiment.
Extremely low doses could have a number of effects that are just unknown.
Its silly to say that its disrespectful.
Just because they were used in a certain way hundreds or thousands of years ago, does that mean that is the way they were "meant" to be
used? There is no such proper use. We simply know their potential when taking a high dose. That doesn't mean a high dose is always the ultimate goal?
There are certainly different ways to experience mind altering substances.
Its unfair to judge the way in which each person decides to "experiment".


Also,
In reference to this quote...

"Mushrooms are trying to survive, just like other things that grow. They weren't "designed" with us in mind."

If you think about the way we are spreading spores, home cultivating, cloning etc., for our benefit. We are assisting/promoting their survival. I would imagine, humans play a role in the spreading of species and strains in places around the world where the mushrooms would be less likely to exist by "chance".

It is examples like this that show, not the intelligence of plants and animals, but of the nature of the "designer".

We live in nature. We are nature.

The mushrooms are using us just as much as we are using them.
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: btb103]
    #7752536 - 12/13/07 03:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not entirely sure about it, either. But there's a lot of evidence that suggests it's so. I'm not going to really get into it here, because I know I can't do the argument justice. But if you look around, there's a lot of literature that points to the very possibility that mushrooms were central to the development of human consciousness as we know it today. They may also have been responsible for the evolution of proto-hominid forms to the anatomically modern homo sapiens (us). Combine this with the remarkably similar experiences reported by users of mushrooms and other mind-manifesting substances across cultural and geographic lines and you have a recipe for a class of plants that were in fact "designed with us in mind."




yeah, i have food of the gods too...


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: CantiSama]
    #7752660 - 12/13/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the only thing that's going to happen is on the 4th-7th days, she's just going to feel fucked up in the head and basically like shit the rest of the day. That is of course if she can even feel the effects come day 4 off of one mushroom.

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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: kotik]
    #7752802 - 12/13/07 07:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I think I remember someone dosing everyday, and I think it led to some kind of psychosis... :goodluck:





link!?!?!?

i thought that was b.s.  like growing hair on your palms.




I went back and read the older threads... Nothing concrete. Sorry.

It was basically Wiccan Seeker making a passing reference to another non-sourced story.

With nothing solid against it, go for it. :shrug:


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: CantiSama]
    #7753181 - 12/13/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not entirely sure about it, either. But there's a lot of evidence that suggests it's so. I'm not going to really get into it here, because I know I can't do the argument justice. But if you look around, there's a lot of literature that points to the very possibility that mushrooms were central to the development of human consciousness as we know it today. They may also have been responsible for the evolution of proto-hominid forms to the anatomically modern homo sapiens (us). Combine this with the remarkably similar experiences reported by users of mushrooms and other mind-manifesting substances across cultural and geographic lines and you have a recipe for a class of plants that were in fact "designed with us in mind."




yeah, i have food of the gods too...




What's your point? I'm reading Hancock's "Supernatural" right now. If you're trying to suggest that the argument I'm talking about can only be found in his writings, you're wrong.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7755152 - 12/13/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If they do, and they don't like being eaten, then everyone on this site has the mushroom animosity equivalent the the jewish sentiments towards hitler.

Anyways, one shroom won't increase tolerance as much as a large dose will. That being said, a single shroom also shouldn't do that much. However, when you train yourself to relax and notice subtle difference you can certainly realize things at small doses.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: akb112211]
    #7756750 - 12/13/07 11:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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akb112211 said:



Also,
In reference to this quote...

"Mushrooms are trying to survive, just like other things that grow. They weren't "designed" with us in mind."

If you think about the way we are spreading spores, home cultivating, cloning etc., for our benefit. We are assisting/promoting their survival. I would imagine, humans play a role in the spreading of species and strains in places around the world where the mushrooms would be less likely to exist by "chance".

It is examples like this that show, not the intelligence of plants and animals, but of the nature of the "designer".

We live in nature. We are nature.

The mushrooms are using us just as much as we are using them.
(this goes for pretty much every plant we cultivate)






awesome point!


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: MindGorilla]
    #7761261 - 12/15/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I feel that she approached this experiment with the utmost respect for these mushrooms, and is in no way seeking a "cheap high". Otherwise, I wouldn't have supported her in going through with it. It's funny how many people here idolize McKenna, and Maria Sabina, but can't understand that others could possible find the same truths for themselves.

That said, there was a positive discovery. She suffers from an anxiety disorder, for which she is prescribed a couple different benzo's(xanax, klonipin). What she discovered during this experiment is that she was finding herself taking much smaller amounts, and less frequently. I think this could be of great value to many others who suffer from such disorders. Of course, mushrooms can have the opposite effect(if used disrespectfully), and I doubt that everyone would find the same results, but she felt that she was much more spiritually connected than before.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #7777064 - 12/19/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You idiots seriously can't see a reason why someone would take a low dose of a hallucinogen for several days in a row?

You are fucking dumb. Even if you don't understand why, why would you just go off insulting this person who has, in my opinion, a very interesting experiment going on?

For god's sake, just lay off that goddam submit button. Read over your post before you push it, and then decide whether you should or should not contribute your own unique brand of idiocy to what could be an interesting discussion...


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7777165 - 12/19/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No need to bring so much emotion into it, it is just perspective. Different personalities will react differently to this experiment, some may be altered negatively from this and some may find a new light. I did. I also went through what some would call psychosis. I call it awakening and deconstruction of conditioned reality. Some may find this negative and some positive. Some may bring negativity into this experience, some may bring positivity.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: LacunalSense]
    #7777423 - 12/19/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have read accounts of someone taking small doses of amanita daily for an extended period of time. Never heard of using any other type of active mushroom on a daily basis.

I also think that low doses have their place in daily life activities. I have used less than 1 gram on multiple occasions just for focus and increased engergy.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7777749 - 12/19/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You idiots seriously can't see a reason why someone would take a low dose of a hallucinogen for several days in a row?

You are fucking dumb. Even if you don't understand why, why would you just go off insulting this person who has, in my opinion, a very interesting experiment going on?

For god's sake, just lay off that goddam submit button. Read over your post before you push it, and then decide whether you should or should not contribute your own unique brand of idiocy to what could be an interesting discussion...




I've been there done that, wash your "fucking" mouth out. Nothings going to happen.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: future]
    #10490626 - 06/11/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Just bumping this because it is relevant to another active thread, and people were interested in seeing it.

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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14077021 - 03/06/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yes but there was no final conclusion of the experiment. It only accounted for only 3 or 4 days on continuous use.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: allensig3654]
    #14077230 - 03/06/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It was a week solid, and she did find that during that week she was having to rely much less on her benzos to control her acute anxiety symptoms.

Certainly not a scientific study by any means, but I still though it was of interest.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14078107 - 03/06/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i did a similar experiment on myself, really tiny, sub-psychedelic doses, for close to a week.

at first it lifted my mood. then i found it destabilized my mood -- waves of euphoria alternating with crushing sadness -- then i started to feel pretty bad. then i decided to get off the roller coaster and stop playing with strong medicine.

there's an animal study out there showing cardiotoxicity with sustained psilocybin exposure.

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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14079106 - 03/07/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sure a few day but 30

jesus!

it cant be a good idea to have your equipment revved up all the time like
that

plus fatiguing those neural pathways like that

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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: Micawber] * 1
    #14079494 - 03/07/11 02:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sure her tolerance will kick in at some point and she will notice other medicinal or therapeutic aspects of it. What if the trip was just like a niacin flush when getting the body saturated?

Stranger shit, honestly, happens every day.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14079548 - 03/07/11 03:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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latherdome said:

there's an animal study out there showing cardiotoxicity with sustained psilocybin exposure.






Prove it.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #14080385 - 03/07/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You idiots seriously can't see a reason why someone would take a low dose of a hallucinogen for several days in a row?

You are fucking dumb. Even if you don't understand why, why would you just go off insulting this person who has, in my opinion, a very interesting experiment going on?



This. I have also done this and learned some silly things in the process.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: coAsTal]
    #14080431 - 03/07/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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latherdome said:there's an animal study out there showing cardiotoxicity with sustained psilocybin exposure.




Prove it.



http://journals.indexcopernicus.com/abstracted.php?icid=470233


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14080853 - 03/07/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for a source.

Do you note that all the abnormalities are temporary and mild?

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/aberrant+ventricular+conduction

tachycardia is just a faster heartbeat.


I think it's irrational to claim that philocin harms the heart when the jumpy heartbeat and higher rate are attributed to the mushrooms psychological effects.

To imagine rats not going nuts on shrooms injected three times a week isn't hard to understand, but to paint their heartbeats as being somehow indicative of poison is illegitimate.

The study does nothing to speak of any residual damage, as the rats were killed at the end of the regimen of injections.

I appreciate the reading material, and it's always better to know everything-- but I reject the applicability of the article to humans in real-world conditions.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: allensig3654]
    #14080911 - 03/07/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this is actually something that someone in my opinion could really benefit from if they were in ok physical and mental states. a low dose of mushrooms, hell, not even enough to catch really much of a buzz at all from, could still effectively put someone on a higher plane of daily thinking. think of it as, instead of one quick burst of full on tripping, its just a really long steady era of greater philosophy, which if used at the right time in someones life, who had correct knowledge and knew what they were getting into, could really benefit. haha, but i would definitely have to golonger than a single week, mayne
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: coAsTal]
    #14081388 - 03/07/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Thank you for a source.

Do you note that all the abnormalities are temporary and mild?

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/aberrant+ventricular+conduction

tachycardia is just a faster heartbeat.


I think it's irrational to claim that philocin harms the heart when the jumpy heartbeat and higher rate are attributed to the mushrooms psychological effects.

To imagine rats not going nuts on shrooms injected three times a week isn't hard to understand, but to paint their heartbeats as being somehow indicative of poison is illegitimate.

The study does nothing to speak of any residual damage, as the rats were killed at the end of the regimen of injections.

I appreciate the reading material, and it's always better to know everything-- but I reject the applicability of the article to humans in real-world conditions.



Yup, never said it was poison, just that there was an animal study showing possible cause for concern. What might be the long-term effects of these "temporary" abnormalities if sustained through constant low-level dosing? Unknown. Not necessarily safe, not necessarily unsafe: you become the test rat. Anyway, for me, I stopped because I didn't like the emotional instability: it's not like popping a vitamin. It's medicine, strong medicine. In my case, not being depressed or having some other specific condition to treat, it felt self-abusive to keep taking, "just to find out what would happen." I like rats, but I don't want to be one. I continue to take substantial doses infrequently to further my spiritual work. It works. Tiny daily dose: not so much. Your mileage may vary.


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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14081703 - 03/07/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup:

I do think it's an interesting proposition, and we may find one day that micro doses-- as in, micro- could be used as a tweak to help some people. I can imagine that it could work, but you're right in looking for more regimented studies before going long-term (like months/years)


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    #14083459 - 03/07/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think one of the issues you run into with this experiment is
actually being able to tell how much psilocybin the subject is taking
what with the variations in potency from batch to batch

an accidental jump in dose one day would screw the whole deal
by affecting the subjects tolerance 

watching the diet to avoid any maois may also be a good idea

a better bet maybe would be to use pure 4-ho-dmt
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: Micawber]
    #14123558 - 03/15/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My first thought was the same one that a lot of others had: that tolerance would render the mushrooms ineffective after 3 or 4 days.  But then I got to questioning a couple assumptions I've made about how tolerance works.

Conventional wisdom is that it takes anywhere from half a week to a week to get rid of tolerance.  However, people don't (normally) take extremely low doses, so we're usually talking about standard tripping doses (3-5g or whatever) when we talk about tolerance.

So, does anybody know if smaller amounts of shrooms mean smaller recovery times in terms of tolerance?

Like, say it takes a week for tolerance to dissipate after 4g of shrooms.  If you took .2g or .3g of shrooms, would you have no tolerance after 24 hours?

In my opinion, THAT's an experiment someone needs to conduct a few times.  Take a micro-dosage one day, and then take a standard tripping dosage a day or two later and see if you have any tolerance. 

If the answer is no, then daily dosing with small amounts can work.


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    #14124746 - 03/15/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

with my micro-doses over several days, i felt the acute effects (extremely weakly) every day, same low intensity. no apparent tolerance.

the old thread that inspired my experiment (yeah, everything has already been discussed a million separate times here on the shroomery because it's considered bad form to post new information in old threads, but whatever) started with the idea of the micro-doses being specifically to extend the afterglow of a strong trip. the key hypothesis being afterglow=tolerance period. so if you keep dosing to extend the tolerance period, do you extend the afterglow? i mean, the point wasn't to trip every day. the point was to keep feeling as good as you usually do for a few days after a good trip.

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    #14124831 - 03/15/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think that a low dose can produce a reliable slight effect every day without depleting the serotonin system (i.e. without forcing tolerance).
it should function in a similar way overall as SSRI's by bringing moderately more serotonin to the synapses but from the generative side rather than from the re-uptake inhibition side.
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it could even strengthen the serotonin generative apparatus (whereas legal SSRI's depress the generative apparatus), which would be a more natural way to treat depression.


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    #14124943 - 03/15/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting, maybe I need to do these things daily.

I have what's referred to as a bradycardia, it's the exact opposite of tachycardia.  My resting pulse rate is between 49 and 51, occasionally dropping to 43.  My BP and normal body temps are similarly low (95/60 resting and 95 degrees).  So maybe this would help me.

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    #14125286 - 03/15/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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LanLord said:I have what's referred to as a bradycardia, it's the exact opposite of tachycardia.  My resting pulse rate is between 49 and 51, occasionally dropping to 43. So maybe this would help me.



sir, elsewhere you said you ride a bike 100 mi/wk. that's where your strong, takin'-it-easy heart comes from. mine too. 38 before i get out of bed, 45 normal resting rate. sign of health, not of disease unless you are faint/dizzy or similar.


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    #14125439 - 03/15/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

very interesting, i'll like to try that. tell me how the results are!:thumbup:


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