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Fraggin
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: LacunalSense]
#7777423 - 12/19/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have read accounts of someone taking small doses of amanita daily for an extended period of time. Never heard of using any other type of active mushroom on a daily basis.
I also think that low doses have their place in daily life activities. I have used less than 1 gram on multiple occasions just for focus and increased engergy.
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: You idiots seriously can't see a reason why someone would take a low dose of a hallucinogen for several days in a row?
You are fucking dumb. Even if you don't understand why, why would you just go off insulting this person who has, in my opinion, a very interesting experiment going on?
For god's sake, just lay off that goddam submit button. Read over your post before you push it, and then decide whether you should or should not contribute your own unique brand of idiocy to what could be an interesting discussion...
I've been there done that, wash your "fucking" mouth out. Nothings going to happen.
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: future]
#10490626 - 06/11/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just bumping this because it is relevant to another active thread, and people were interested in seeing it.
Sorry if it bugs anyone that I'm bumping it.
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
#14077021 - 03/06/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes but there was no final conclusion of the experiment. It only accounted for only 3 or 4 days on continuous use.
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: allensig3654]
#14077230 - 03/06/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It was a week solid, and she did find that during that week she was having to rely much less on her benzos to control her acute anxiety symptoms.
Certainly not a scientific study by any means, but I still though it was of interest.
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: nicechrisman]
#14078107 - 03/06/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i did a similar experiment on myself, really tiny, sub-psychedelic doses, for close to a week.
at first it lifted my mood. then i found it destabilized my mood -- waves of euphoria alternating with crushing sadness -- then i started to feel pretty bad. then i decided to get off the roller coaster and stop playing with strong medicine.
there's an animal study out there showing cardiotoxicity with sustained psilocybin exposure.
keep 'em special.
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sure a few day but 30
jesus!
it cant be a good idea to have your equipment revved up all the time like that
plus fatiguing those neural pathways like that
is a rode to hppd for sure
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: Micawber] 1
#14079494 - 03/07/11 02:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm sure her tolerance will kick in at some point and she will notice other medicinal or therapeutic aspects of it. What if the trip was just like a niacin flush when getting the body saturated?
Stranger shit, honestly, happens every day.
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latherdome said:
there's an animal study out there showing cardiotoxicity with sustained psilocybin exposure.
Prove it.
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: You idiots seriously can't see a reason why someone would take a low dose of a hallucinogen for several days in a row?
You are fucking dumb. Even if you don't understand why, why would you just go off insulting this person who has, in my opinion, a very interesting experiment going on?
This. I have also done this and learned some silly things in the process.
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: coAsTal]
#14080431 - 03/07/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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coAsTal said:
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latherdome said:there's an animal study out there showing cardiotoxicity with sustained psilocybin exposure.
Prove it.
http://journals.indexcopernicus.com/abstracted.php?icid=470233
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coAsTal
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Thank you for a source.
Do you note that all the abnormalities are temporary and mild?
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/aberrant+ventricular+conduction
tachycardia is just a faster heartbeat.
I think it's irrational to claim that philocin harms the heart when the jumpy heartbeat and higher rate are attributed to the mushrooms psychological effects.
To imagine rats not going nuts on shrooms injected three times a week isn't hard to understand, but to paint their heartbeats as being somehow indicative of poison is illegitimate.
The study does nothing to speak of any residual damage, as the rats were killed at the end of the regimen of injections.
I appreciate the reading material, and it's always better to know everything-- but I reject the applicability of the article to humans in real-world conditions.
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: allensig3654]
#14080911 - 03/07/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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this is actually something that someone in my opinion could really benefit from if they were in ok physical and mental states. a low dose of mushrooms, hell, not even enough to catch really much of a buzz at all from, could still effectively put someone on a higher plane of daily thinking. think of it as, instead of one quick burst of full on tripping, its just a really long steady era of greater philosophy, which if used at the right time in someones life, who had correct knowledge and knew what they were getting into, could really benefit. haha, but i would definitely have to golonger than a single week, mayne
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: coAsTal]
#14081388 - 03/07/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: Thank you for a source.
Do you note that all the abnormalities are temporary and mild?
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/aberrant+ventricular+conduction
tachycardia is just a faster heartbeat.
I think it's irrational to claim that philocin harms the heart when the jumpy heartbeat and higher rate are attributed to the mushrooms psychological effects.
To imagine rats not going nuts on shrooms injected three times a week isn't hard to understand, but to paint their heartbeats as being somehow indicative of poison is illegitimate.
The study does nothing to speak of any residual damage, as the rats were killed at the end of the regimen of injections.
I appreciate the reading material, and it's always better to know everything-- but I reject the applicability of the article to humans in real-world conditions.
Yup, never said it was poison, just that there was an animal study showing possible cause for concern. What might be the long-term effects of these "temporary" abnormalities if sustained through constant low-level dosing? Unknown. Not necessarily safe, not necessarily unsafe: you become the test rat. Anyway, for me, I stopped because I didn't like the emotional instability: it's not like popping a vitamin. It's medicine, strong medicine. In my case, not being depressed or having some other specific condition to treat, it felt self-abusive to keep taking, "just to find out what would happen." I like rats, but I don't want to be one. I continue to take substantial doses infrequently to further my spiritual work. It works. Tiny daily dose: not so much. Your mileage may vary.
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I do think it's an interesting proposition, and we may find one day that micro doses-- as in, micro- could be used as a tweak to help some people. I can imagine that it could work, but you're right in looking for more regimented studies before going long-term (like months/years)
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: coAsTal]
#14083459 - 03/07/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think one of the issues you run into with this experiment is actually being able to tell how much psilocybin the subject is taking what with the variations in potency from batch to batch an accidental jump in dose one day would screw the whole deal by affecting the subjects tolerance
watching the diet to avoid any maois may also be a good idea
a better bet maybe would be to use pure 4-ho-dmt and a micro-gram scale(good luck on that$$$$)
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Re: Mushroom a day experiment. [Re: Micawber]
#14123558 - 03/15/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My first thought was the same one that a lot of others had: that tolerance would render the mushrooms ineffective after 3 or 4 days. But then I got to questioning a couple assumptions I've made about how tolerance works.
Conventional wisdom is that it takes anywhere from half a week to a week to get rid of tolerance. However, people don't (normally) take extremely low doses, so we're usually talking about standard tripping doses (3-5g or whatever) when we talk about tolerance.
So, does anybody know if smaller amounts of shrooms mean smaller recovery times in terms of tolerance?
Like, say it takes a week for tolerance to dissipate after 4g of shrooms. If you took .2g or .3g of shrooms, would you have no tolerance after 24 hours?
In my opinion, THAT's an experiment someone needs to conduct a few times. Take a micro-dosage one day, and then take a standard tripping dosage a day or two later and see if you have any tolerance.
If the answer is no, then daily dosing with small amounts can work.
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with my micro-doses over several days, i felt the acute effects (extremely weakly) every day, same low intensity. no apparent tolerance.
the old thread that inspired my experiment (yeah, everything has already been discussed a million separate times here on the shroomery because it's considered bad form to post new information in old threads, but whatever) started with the idea of the micro-doses being specifically to extend the afterglow of a strong trip. the key hypothesis being afterglow=tolerance period. so if you keep dosing to extend the tolerance period, do you extend the afterglow? i mean, the point wasn't to trip every day. the point was to keep feeling as good as you usually do for a few days after a good trip.
it didn't work out that way for me.
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I think that a low dose can produce a reliable slight effect every day without depleting the serotonin system (i.e. without forcing tolerance). it should function in a similar way overall as SSRI's by bringing moderately more serotonin to the synapses but from the generative side rather than from the re-uptake inhibition side. and it could even strengthen the serotonin generative apparatus (whereas legal SSRI's depress the generative apparatus), which would be a more natural way to treat depression.
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Interesting, maybe I need to do these things daily.
I have what's referred to as a bradycardia, it's the exact opposite of tachycardia. My resting pulse rate is between 49 and 51, occasionally dropping to 43. My BP and normal body temps are similarly low (95/60 resting and 95 degrees). So maybe this would help me.
On second thought, I'll just stick to the occasional journeys.
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