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my coir got green mold
    #7743111 - 12/10/07 10:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There are too little spots that just popped up on a half of brick of coir that i was spawning to 3 half pins of BRF cakes. it had been like 10 days and now at almost full colinization i get these two small spots on the top. can I just scoop them out and hope for the best, or can i kill it with h2o2?

please help me, I was really counting on that spawn so i can get another flush going.

i have like nothing fruiting as we speak.

kF


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09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: katfish]
    #7743155 - 12/10/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you can always try but the mold could have to big of a hold. h202 only works with cobweb. if its warm enough outside you could put it out there and see what happens, I've heard some people say it works but i couldn't tell you for sure.


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: GuffeyJon]
    #7743275 - 12/10/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i just scooped it out in the teo places it was showing with a mardi gras cup. I think i got it all but the coir all in the middle wasn't the sightest bit white. it was still all coir color?

Do you think maybe I dind't mix enough coloniaed substrate?? 3 half pints of BRF were crumbled in there with a half a brick of coir.

what is the right ratio?

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08/08/07 First mycelium show
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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: katfish]
    #7743283 - 12/10/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you can do whatever ratio you want. that sounds like alot of coir though to just 3 1/2 pint jars. you should have gotten some pics up it might not of even been mold.


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: katfish]
    #7743286 - 12/10/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i have a coir pan growing and one colonizing right now. the one fruiting is 2:1 coir: col millet seed, the other is 7:3 coir: millet seed. i always pasteurize mine in hot water with some coffee grounds, then i will add some veg oil before i mix it all together and it grows fast. make sure you pasteurize it, if you cant go with a ratio of 1:1!


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: GuffeyJon]
    #7743442 - 12/11/07 12:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah my ratio was way down but I tired to fix that by only usomg HALF A BRICK OF COIR.  I did steam paturize it. I was definitly green mold, it wasn't good and I scooped it out of there.

Is i ok if I add another half pint that I have colonized of b+ WBS and mix it together again? won't this speed up the process? this was supossed to be my first monotub, where I am gonna get a flush where I can actually share!

:wink:

kF


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: katfish]
    #7743502 - 12/11/07 12:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The problem with with attempt to scoop out green mold is that, more often than not, you end up just spreading the spores. Don't be surprised when the green shows up again.

I'm not sure how much success with spawning BRF to coir. I use WBS with a ration of 2 quarts to half a brick of coir. That works out to 4 pints to half a brick. Even if I halved that, it would still be more than you used. Even though I use more than necessary, I would say that you are spreading your BRF a little thin.


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: soulsizzle]
    #7743682 - 12/11/07 01:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well it was my first time using coir and I didn't know. I have a few jars that are on the virge of full colonization, and I am thinking of spawning to straw and just putting the straw in a deep roaster pan. I haven't had a flush since my first one and I need a descent one, I want ot get like a half ounce fo dried shrooms is my minimum goal. thats really not a lot compared to some grows on here, i could only dream of getting that good.

kF


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: katfish]
    #7744125 - 12/11/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

(1.5 US pints) / (4 US quarts) = 0.1875

Your spawn ratio was very low, as said.


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: Sillicybin]
    #7744135 - 12/11/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

shit. so i guess I will just see if the green mold comes back.

Yeah i need to use more colonized substrate next time. I am not giving up on coir, I am gonna make a coir monootub god damnit.

This is discouraging. I had a casing get green mold before I got a change to fruit it and now this monotub got gteen mold because I didn't use enough colonized sub. dammit! I am waiting on jars to coloniZe now. How many jars do you usually use when you are using coir?

kF


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: katfish]
    #7744188 - 12/11/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If I want to be almost absolutely sure that the tub will make it to fruiting, I'll use 2 quarts of spawn for 6 quarts of other substrate (1:3).


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: Sillicybin]
    #7744253 - 12/11/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you can see trich before the substrate is done colonizing you messed up with your pasuerization somehow. I doubt you will be able to save this casing.


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: pazzy]
    #7744472 - 12/11/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The green mold will probably come right back and show up on the uncolonized areas you uncovered, as they are not protected by colonized mycelium.  As said before, the low ratio of spawn to coir didn't allow it to colonize before a contam could take hold.

Sorry bro :frown:.  Read up on some outdoor teks perhaps and see what you can make of it outside?


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: pazzy]
    #7744688 - 12/11/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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pazzy said:
If you can see trich before the substrate is done colonizing you messed up with your pasuerization somehow. I doubt you will be able to save this casing.




Well i mean its coir pasturization, I thought you just took the brick put it in a tub or bucket, and poured boiling water in it and closed the lid. Is this the right way? What did I miss? this is my first time messing with coir.

I can seem to get my bulk substrates off the ground! dammit!

kF


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: katfish]
    #7744702 - 12/11/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well fuck. I am not going to throw it away until I see more green mold come back.

Lesson learned, use more colonzed substrate like half and half to make sure is what i'll do next time comming up. I do not want to waste anymore jars on spawning to bulk that won't make it to fruiting. I have had a baking pan and now this monotub go south on me.


I think I am gonna try the monotub first when I get more jars at 100%.

I have some b+ getting pretty close. and also I have some Brazil and PESA that are pretty close too.

kF


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08/2/07 Inoculated mycobag with Brazilian, 3cc
08/08/07 First mycelium show
09/03/07 Brazilian still colonizing, Three Mycobags inoculated with Koi Somui
10/11/07 2 Pint PESA 100% colonized. 1 pint Amazon 90% colonized
10/12/07 Storage bin perite FC constructed
10/28/07 Havested my First ever flush, of PESA!


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: katfish]
    #7744923 - 12/11/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here is some good advise: A stitch in time saves nine. That means don't half-ass it. When you do, things like trich appear during colonisation. Heres where you messed up:
1: Too low of a spawn ratio.
2: You said you crumbled brf cakes. i would not recomend this if you enjoy even pinsets. Go grain and you wont go back. If you MUST use brf/verm cakes, then at least put them in a sterilized food processor and chop it into bits (NOT to a paste consistency, your just trying to make more innoc. points, not decimate the mycelium.) I would expect a crumbled pint cake of brf to break up into 50-100 pieces if done by hand, (i used to actually do this method, before i realized its a waste of time) Whereas a pint of grain easily has thousands of inoculation points.
3: PASTERIZE PROPERLY! i cannot emphasize this enough, even with my caps lock on. This means wait until the center of your sub has reached 165, then wait an hour and a half.
4: The more time, effort, dedication, and general love you put in = proportional fruits. i have seen 27 L. monotubs (11 by 14 inches) yield a half pound dry on the first flush. Just do it right, or don't do it at all.
Thank you for your time and dedication.


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #7745402 - 12/11/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Boiled water works OK for some people. True pasteurization is more reliable but more time consuming. Heat the substrate to 160 and keep it there for at least an hour.

I am also assuming that you didn't bring your coir to field capacity. Your coir should only drip a few drops if you give it a good squeeze otherwise the moisture slows down colonization.


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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: pazzy]
    #7747714 - 12/12/07 12:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well i have to be a lot more carful when using bulk substrate. thanks for all the help guys. I just took the tub and put it by my window. I will see if i even get one pin out of it, i mean half of it is fully colonized on the top, some really good looking myc. so maybe I can at least get one good shroom from this disaster.

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Re: my coir got green mold [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #7770585 - 12/17/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

shroomie_glen said:
Here is some good advise: A stitch in time saves nine. That means don't half-ass it. When you do, things like trich appear during colonisation. Heres where you messed up:
1: Too low of a spawn ratio.
2: You said you crumbled brf cakes. i would not recomend this if you enjoy even pinsets. Go grain and you wont go back. If you MUST use brf/verm cakes, then at least put them in a sterilized food processor and chop it into bits (NOT to a paste consistency, your just trying to make more innoc. points, not decimate the mycelium.) I would expect a crumbled pint cake of brf to break up into 50-100 pieces if done by hand, (i used to actually do this method, before i realized its a waste of time) Whereas a pint of grain easily has thousands of inoculation points.
3: PASTERIZE PROPERLY! i cannot emphasize this enough, even with my caps lock on. This means wait until the center of your sub has reached 165, then wait an hour and a half.
4: The more time, effort, dedication, and general love you put in = proportional fruits. i have seen 27 L. monotubs (11 by 14 inches) yield a half pound dry on the first flush. Just do it right, or don't do it at all.
Thank you for your time and dedication.




WHATS UP BRO! Good to see you posting on the forums dude. Haven't seen you in a while. We'll get up and chill sometime soon.

(sorry for hijacking thread!)

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