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Invisibleredgreenvines
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private messages from experimenters.
    #7742443 - 12/10/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just wanted to mention in an open comment to the group, that I do read a fair number of private messages from experimenters with salvia who are looking for some support.

Some of my answers are not very satisfying to the people who send messages to me, and some of those try to insult me into giving more juicy replies.

There is not too much I can do for people who lack juice. It shows up in how they read their experiences and how they read my replies.

One of the most contentious areas is "lady Salvia" which is not a thing I am into. I mean I have seen entities, and some may have fit the description, but this is not an area I am steeped in except as an area of personal expression.

I think some people adopt a "lady Salvia" approach as a kind of salvia social kow tow handshake. That is ok, I am just not anywhere near that type of thing.

enough about me.
for those I have not be clear enough to:
I am being very simple and clear when I write,
"surf on your reduced expectations and simple thoughts and actions".
always let go of pretending to get a more real thing type of experience.


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7742588 - 12/10/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have never met lady salvia, but I sure as hell have met salvia first hand.

I understand why you made the post.

I can have a full blown experience with leaf, and some people claim to feel just a slight buzz from 20x.

I dont know how to help people when it comes to "breaking through" whatever that means.
I feel you.

I like a clean slate.
It might be best for people to meet the "real salvia" on their own damn terms.
Salvia has alot to offer, But not everybody feels that way.

To contrive a response to salvia before the session is possibly the worst approach imaginable. That is unless your desire to disect the experience comes from prior experience.

Keep it real folks.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7742604 - 12/10/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:

wish youd do a weekly column or something


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: herfenara]
    #7742636 - 12/10/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

is redgreenvines a real shaman?


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: yageman]
    #7742642 - 12/10/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

yageman said:
Salvia has alot to offer, But not everybody feels that way.





I enjoy growing it as much, if not more, than I enjoy it's "experience".

It is a beautiful, challenging plant to grow properly. It deserves more respect than it gets, in many ways.


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: Premedman1]
    #7742683 - 12/10/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that is such good fucking advice redgreenvines that advice not only works well for salvia but also marijuana, shrooms, acid and prolly more... the only difficult thing would be to effectively reduce yourself without being fake about it and thereby nothing happening


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7742726 - 12/10/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i know exactly what you mean.

Quote:

One of the most contentious areas is "lady Salvia" which is not a thing I am into. I mean I have seen entities, and some may have fit the description, but this is not an area I am steeped in except as an area of personal expression.



in all my experience with salvia i have never once felt an entity that i can clearly label "lady salvia". in fact, i don't even like the term and it's connotations. i have felt many entities and i have had some profound experiences and it makes me laugh when some kid comes up and says "omg, i totally turned into a doorknob, maybe lady salvia doesn't like me."


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: maggotz]
    #7744143 - 12/11/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

it took the 6th try for me to actually break through.


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: Premedman1]
    #7744247 - 12/11/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Premedman1 said:
challenging plant




Absolutly.


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Invisibleredgreenvines
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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7744285 - 12/11/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

nearly everyone in modern culture understands some reference to a looking glass world - from alice, through the looking glass...
salvia space bears a strong resemblance to this looking glassworld IMO.
reflections are real. reality is a reflection. shiny thin layers like glass, opposite results from movements, suggestive of an alternate physics, multiple dimensions or kaleidoscope glass worlds...
this is the inside-out place of our insides, our mind itself - perhaps?
I am there.
but enough about me.

I think you are all there.


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7744379 - 12/11/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Salvia challenging to grow? Not in my experience. I've found it very easy to grow and clone. With little care you can quickly find yourself running out of room for it. :smile:

I don't really get the whole "Lady Salvia" thing either and I've gone as far as you can go with it many times over.

I can get a lot out of plain leaf now but it took strong extract to open my mind up to it I guess. I couldn't get anywhere with plain leaf until after I had blown the doors off of the hinges with extract. It's amazing the difference that made in my sensitivity to it.

I wish everyone could get what I do out of salvia.


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Re: private messages from experimenters. [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
    #7744602 - 12/11/07 11:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that is one of the creepiest things about salvia in my opinion. while with psychedelics you very very rarely get someone who can do something artistic to portrey it, i've been seeing images of salvia space since i was a little kid.

does anyone know the cheezy blacklight poster of alice running through an esher type space? i looked all over the internet for it but couldn't find it.

if you've seen that, then you know what i mean.

edit: to emphasize, "knowledge of kaleidoscopic glass worlds" yes yes yes!!! how do we know about that space before the drug makes it visible? how is it most people have a general familiarity with it before it happens?!?! its like strong traditional psychedelics in that you get a sense of remebering the place, but with strong psychedelics there is always the feeling of approaching a realization, i don't get that with salvia, salvia seems like a wild and free place and when you get there its not to experience some cosmic yoga feeling or whatever. its like there is a bunch of wild shit going on for no good reason.

if you're picturing the mad hatters tea party in your head while you read this you know what i mean.

crazy!


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