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Offlinedanlennon3
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how old is God?
    #7741781 - 12/10/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Im talking about the concept of god.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: danlennon3]
    #7741792 - 12/10/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Merry Xmas.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: how is is God? [Re: danlennon3]
    #7741793 - 12/10/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

how old?

∞.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7741804 - 12/10/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

woops


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Re: how is is God? [Re: danlennon3]
    #7741814 - 12/10/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

God is as old as mans imagination.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: danlennon3]
    #7741819 - 12/10/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Prehistoric. The Aryans already had the concept when they introduced Brahmanism into Southern Asia before 1500 BCE (when the Rig Veda was written).


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Re: how is is God? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7742129 - 12/10/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

drkrobotnik said:
how old?

∞.


god is sideways 8 years old!


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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Icelander]
    #7742204 - 12/10/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
God is as old as mans imagination.




How old is the Tao.....?
Same answer....?


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Re: how is is God? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7742217 - 12/10/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone knows that he's one day older :razz:


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7742249 - 12/10/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

BZZZZZT....!   

God created the Tao on the first day day....    :smirk:


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Re: how is is God? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7742289 - 12/10/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That what YOU Christians think


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7742562 - 12/10/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

69 yrs old IMO


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Re: how is is God? [Re: danlennon3]
    #7742665 - 12/10/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

There is some debate as to whether Neanderthals had religious beliefs. They did bury their dead, and I believe some of these graves were found to contain personal possessions, possibly indicating a belief in an afterlife. As for our own species, there are cave paintings dating back some 40,000 years which many archaeologists believe to be religiously significant. Based on contemporary anthropological research, it is believed that the earliest religions were animist, believing in spirits residing in nature. Ancestor worship seems to also have fairly early origins.

Animism seems to have evolved into polytheism as certain nature spirits became more anthropomorphised and myths developed around them. In fact, the Egyptian word for the gods -- netaru -- is where we derive the word "nature" from. These were the forces of nature, understood as personal spirits which could be called upon through magic and prayer.

On the darker side of things, the more complex understanding of these spirits and institutionalization of their worship was taken advantage of by hierarchies. A priestly class could claim authority over religious life, and command power over the people. This, course, was a double-edged sword, as they were often the first to be blamed when tragedies occurred.

Akhenaten, who ruled from about 1353-1356 BC, is often seen as the first monotheist. He held up Aten, the sun God, as the primordial source of all things. There are, however, some Egyptologists who believe that prior to this, Ra was seen as the supreme God from whom all others emanated, in much the same way that Hindus view Vishnu or Shiva.

So, I guess the question is, at which point would you consider "God" to have developed?


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7743366 - 12/10/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

As soon as "God" developed he was as old as time.

The first people that believed in a god may have believed "God" had always existed. So is not when did the idea of "God" originate. It is how old is what we call God.

The Answer would differ from person to person but my answer would be as old as time has existed. Before time exists, you do not have "befores" or "afters".


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Re: how is is God? [Re: elmanimal]
    #7743408 - 12/11/07 12:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)
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Re: how is is God? [Re: ZShroom]
    #7743415 - 12/11/07 12:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

too much for you to understand....read a book instead


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Re: how is is God? [Re: ZShroom]
    #7820724 - 01/01/08 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

God found me by the campfire one stary night, and I have met him there several times since. Probably, when people were more connected to nature, or rather, relied on nature more, God revealed himself more often, simply because he could. When we separated ourselves from that flame we began not to look to or for God, but to other, easier means of living. Just as we have someone else grow our food and school our kids, we now rely on someone to spoonfeed us spirit. I do not think humans, being born human, would have thought that anything else governed them but themselves or other men unless they had seen or felt something, aka God or whatever you want to call it...the holy spirit, creator, the collective...whatever...that made them believe. It seems to me now, that to most people, God is a rumor. When the holy spirit decides to reside in you, or touch you somehow. God was, and is, and always will be...from the beginning and through infinity...something we humans just cannot grasp.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7820765 - 01/01/08 05:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I like how you give the straight up answers, this reminds me of a question that's been in the back of my mind but never found out... the way our time line is.. AD and BC... after death and before christ right? what about the years when he was living? doesn't that leave a gap in the time line?


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Love Cap]
    #7820776 - 01/01/08 05:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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what about the years when he was living?




What about them? :sherlock:


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7820785 - 01/01/08 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ok, the years between 1 After Death (AD) and 1 Before Christ (BC) wouldn't there be years on the time line representing the years he lived?


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Love Cap]
    #7820797 - 01/01/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes.
My question was not when did they took place, but what about them.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7820839 - 01/01/08 05:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

no, no... I don't think you understand MY question... say right now is the year 2008 AD. and then there's year 258 BC. well what about the year when jesus was 17? that's not AD or BC...?


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Love Cap]
    #7820899 - 01/01/08 05:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Again, I perfectly understood your question.
My question to you was: how is this relevant to this topic?


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821023 - 01/01/08 06:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A.D. doesn't stand for "After Death". It stands for "Anno Domine".
http://archaeology.about.com/od/aterms/g/ad.htm


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Re: how is is God? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7821133 - 01/01/08 06:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you, THAT answers my question.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821166 - 01/01/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I suppose my question wasn't too relevant but who are you to ask that when you obviously didn't know the answer to my question?

The concept of God: I think is the under lying drive we have just being apart of nature. I think it's been alive as long there has been a universe, or anything, to put an age on it is to limit something that is infinite.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821243 - 01/01/08 07:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I think it's been alive as long there has been a universe




How do you know that?
Do WE exist from the first moment that the universe has started to exist?
Because that's what the question is about: how old is the concept of god (in the human mind - since we don't know if other animals or extra terrestrial beings have this concept).
We can only talk about ourselves.

My guess is that the concept of god came out of the need to find an explanation to things/events which our minds could not grasp. So a more appropriate question would be: when was the first time that we didn't understand?


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821301 - 01/01/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that IS a better question.

Or when did HUMANS get the concept?

I say it's been alive as long as the universe because I think it's apart of the universe. We as humans came up with our own perspectives of it, but I think it's all of that together. I can almost comfortably say that god IS the universe, and everything living in it.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821315 - 01/01/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Then why call it god?
The notion of god is TOO bonded by ambiguous and variating religious definitions.
Why limit the complexity of this universe to such a term?


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821549 - 01/01/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Then why call it god?




Because human beings get infected with viruses that they carry with them. People enjoy the feeling of being used by a meme to propagate itself further virally. :smirk:


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Re: how is is God? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7821565 - 01/01/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh now you said it! :smirk:
I am sure that manbearpig was created on the same principle :naughty:


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821691 - 01/01/08 09:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Then why call it god?
The notion of god is TOO bonded by ambiguous and variating religious definitions.
Why limit the complexity of this universe to such a term?




exactly. this is why i don't like the term 'god'. that's just what was used in this forum


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Re: how is is God? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7821727 - 01/01/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Then why call it god?
The notion of god is TOO bonded by ambiguous and variating religious definitions.
Why limit the complexity of this universe to such a term?




So, what do you recommend people call "God" - to make you feel more comfortable with the term....?
The term "you" is ambiguous to all of the complexities that are of YOU, but you are still simply you....    :shrug:

Three letter words seem to be key....  :grin:


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Re: how is is God? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7821761 - 01/01/08 09:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is true, but to grasp the concept of 'god' i think is beyond language, and expression all together.


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Re: how is is God? [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821792 - 01/01/08 09:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Love Cap said:
This is true, but to grasp the concept of 'god' i think is beyond language, and expression all together.




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Re: how is is God? [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821795 - 01/01/08 09:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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This is true, but to grasp the concept of 'god' i think is beyond language, and expression all together.




This is true....   
But.....  The same can also be said about the universe itself, or life, or a person, or an atom, or a painting, or a piece of music, or, or, or.....
The words are terms given to help the listener understand the speaker's intent and direction....
We can't know you are talking about _____, unless you say that you are talking about _____....
Ya know....?    :ohwell:


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Re: how is is God? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7821826 - 01/01/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

of course! This is why we have language! Describing life and your inner self I think is the same thing as describing god, because I think they are all essentially the same thing.
But I think when it comes to a piece of music or a painting, it's different, because they are expressions in itself. Also, they are on a physical level, you can see it plainly, you can hear it plainly, therefor they are easier to put into language.
As for god, the universe, our inner self, and so on, they are intangible, and I think that something like that, like a certain feeling, is almost impossible to express.
Of course to talk about these kinds of things we DO come up with a way, but it's like going to church or something, these people can talk about it all day long, but they're not experiencing it for thierselves, which is about the only way you can grasp those kinds of things.


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Re: how old is God? [Re: Love Cap]
    #7821858 - 01/01/08 09:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Love Cap said:
But I think when it comes to a piece of music or a painting, it's different, because they are expressions in itself. Also, they are on a physical level, you can see it plainly, you can hear it plainly, therefor they are easier to put into language.



Can you have 10 or 20 people sit down independently and write a description about the same dramatic abstract painting and really convey the same emotion that the painting gives by invoking a feeling thru words.....?
Will all of those descriptions of that one painting be the same.....?    :wink:



Quote:

Love Cap said:
As for god, the universe, our inner self, and so on, they are intangible, and I think that something like that, like a certain feeling, is almost impossible to express.




Only in general terms.... 
Either way, a little bit is lost in the translation of personal perception/bias....


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Re: how old is God? [Re: danlennon3]
    #7822120 - 01/01/08 11:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:  you believe in God!!


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is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing


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