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Re: Faith [Re: Icelander]
    #7755533 - 12/13/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yea. We have a lot of "faith clashing" in here :smile:

'Tis human nature my friend........conflict

It's how we evolve.


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Re: Faith [Re: Silversoul]
    #7757691 - 12/14/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Seems to me the only extent to which we can truly consider our faith to be congruent with reality is its pragmatic utility.  For example, if your senses show that there is a wall in front of you, and you believe there is, then it will be helpful not to run into it.  In this case, not having faith in your senses = pain.  The same can be said of science.  We consider science to be true because it is useful.  Without it, we wouldn't have big screen TVs or hybrid cars or any of the cool gadgets we use.



Hehe, yes, faith is a wicked gadget :smile: Even if the faith in a wall is congruent, it shouldn't prevent one to use an air hammer to break through, for example.
Or what about the more far causal effects in the future ? The big things, like the prospering or doom of mankind, according to their behaviour and development ?
At some distance everything gets blurred and one has to use more tools again... and again how much is the outcome influenced/dependend by/on the tool...
I like riddling about that :wink:


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7757698 - 12/14/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
Yea. We have a lot of "faith clashing" in here :smile:

'Tis human nature my friend........conflict

It's how we evolve.




Conflict seems inherent in nature. The opposition of forces create structure in nature.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Faith [Re: Icelander]
    #7757893 - 12/14/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Conflict seems inherent in nature. The opposition of forces create structure in nature.

True.

But faith bashing creates nothing but anger and mis-trust


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7757899 - 12/14/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But faith bashing creates nothing but anger and mis-trust

Depends on what you mean. Some people challenged (vigorously and directly) my faith and although I got angry and defensive at the time, now I am grateful. It got me thinking.


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7757987 - 12/14/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why cant we just get along with each other, regardless of ones faith.

Accept that they have a different faith than you, and go on living your life the way your faith tells you to.

Faith is the leading cause of our greatest joy and can be our greatest pain...........if we obsess on it too much.

The U.S. government had "faith" that Iraq may try to attack us with nuclear weapons, and started a war based on faith and not fact.

Now look at the misery caused by one mans "faith", and his ability to make a country believe him.

I have faith that Iraq never posed a threat to the U.S.
I also have very little faith that O.B.L. blew up the twin towers on 9-11.

Does it matter to my neighbor what I believe in........no

He is free to believe in whatever he wishes........we both are.
Neither one of us should be bashed because of our faith.

But there seems to be a lot of faith bashing in human nature for some reason.


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7758035 - 12/14/07 11:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Why cant we just get along

:monkeydance: We can't because we don't want to.

The U.S. government had "faith" that Iraq may try to attack us with nuclear weapons, and started a war based on faith and not fact.

If you think faith was part of that equation I want to introduce you to the Mystery forum.

and his ability to make a country believe him.


He didn't make anyone do anything with his words. They all decided that for themselves. Just like I did not.

Does it matter to my neighbor what I believe in.

They often believe it does and thats what drives people, belief.

But there seems to be a lot of faith bashing in human nature for some reason.

"Humans are and imperfect species" -Prince, from the LEXX series.

Better to understand the role faith and belief play in your own life and let the rest of humanity do it's thing. Because they're going to anyway.


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Re: Faith [Re: Icelander]
    #7758094 - 12/14/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Better to understand the role faith and belief play in your own life and let the rest of humanity do it's thing. Because they're going to anyway.

True.


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