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    #7740079 - 12/10/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't faith a strange thing?

Regardless of ones "faith" you see things in accordance to your faith.

Two people can see the same event and come away with different views on it....in a spiritual sense....and they both be right.

Faith is kinda like a placebo effect...........If you believe strongly enough in something, then it is more likely to happen for you, the way you expect it to.


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7740132 - 12/10/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Like when i believe i aced this exam test without a doubt almost and return to find out I got an F.

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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7740159 - 12/10/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Faith is a abominable technique for controlling the masses. I'm not talking about someone's faith in mankind or in their children but rather faith in the religious sense. Faith asks one to disregard observations that are contrary to the specific religion, and have faith that the religion is true despite any discrepancies. Faith prohibits the use of a discerning mind and instead requires that one believes something for which there is no evidence and cannot be tested.


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7740694 - 12/10/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Faith is kinda like a placebo effect...........If you believe strongly enough in something, then it is more likely to happen for you, the way you expect it to.




Religious beliefs act as a mental schema through which one interprets one's world.

Most people I know attempt to force-fit certain phenomena into a mold that is congruous with their beliefs. For instance, with Christians, if something good happens, it's "God is great." If events don't occur in a way consonant with their beliefs, it's "God works in mysterious ways."


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Re: Faith [Re: vigilant_mind]
    #7740741 - 12/10/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The thing is, this doesn't just apply to religious beliefs. It applies to any reality tunnel. People's reality tunnels determine which signals they'll tune into and which they'll tune out. And of those signals which get in, they'll interpret them in a way that suits their reality tunnel. There's no way to avoid this completely. The best we can do is try to have as flexible a reality tunnel as possible, and try to see things from multiple points of view.


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Re: Faith [Re: Silversoul]
    #7741418 - 12/10/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well said SilverSoul. Our perspective has EVERYTHING to do with our beliefs/faith.

We will also, always do things, to help confirm our belief system.


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7741530 - 12/10/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Faith is funny. Do any ya'll here got somes faith in anything? Perhaps one could say I have faith in the belief....or is it awareness? both? more?..... that there is nothing to fear. Faith that All is a cosmic symphony, no note "misplaced". Faith in harmony, in resonance, in ever and always perfection beyond the crude perceptions of bogged down humanity, yet always right before us is this perfection, precise harmonic convergence... Inside something says I must transcend faith to experience the truths of these experiental interpretations. Just be it, don't believe it says something. ego? how do you guys think my faith affects my life?
When one is aware of something, then speaks it/writes it, how much of it is lost in translation? What decides how much is lost?


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7741786 - 12/10/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
Isn't faith a strange thing?

Regardless of ones "faith" you see things in accordance to your faith.

Two people can see the same event and come away with different views on it....in a spiritual sense....and they both be right.

Faith is kinda like a placebo effect...........If you believe strongly enough in something, then it is more likely to happen for you, the way you expect it to.




Right, "What the thinker thinks, the prover proves".


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7743793 - 12/11/07 03:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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faith (fth)
n.
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.
Idiom:




Some people have been telling the thread what this word means... but I wonder if they looked it up first...


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Re: Faith [Re: Rose]
    #7743858 - 12/11/07 05:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yea I just looked it up, realized you were all wrong and didnt post anything. Good old dictionary.


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Re: Faith [Re: daytripper23]
    #7744232 - 12/11/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see where any poster in this thread has deviated from the dictionary's version of the word.


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7744260 - 12/11/07 09:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was only kidding. Screw dictionaries.


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Re: Faith [Re: daytripper23]
    #7744356 - 12/11/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Screw the dictionaries? :what:




Seriously though, there has to be a point of reference so we know what the fuck we're talking about.


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Re: Faith [Re: daytripper23]
    #7744370 - 12/11/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:crankey:


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Re: Faith [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7744387 - 12/11/07 10:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

This is true, I was kind of posting on a whim there.

It just seemed kind of futile to post a 10 word definition of faith, when the churches and religions of the world have been trying demonstrate/come to terms with this concept for thousands of years. I mean the church is basically a manifestation of faith...

I kind of imagine this liniarity of silliness in looking up definitions where on one end you have "oak tree" or "chair" moving towards words like "faith" and "justice", and then further on, you might look up the words like "life" or "existence".

But really dont mind me...


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Re: Faith [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7744396 - 12/11/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Seriously though, there has to be a point of reference so we know what the fuck we're talking about.




No point of reference needed.
I was talking about the general idea of faith, nothing specific.

If you want an example then.......

Tylenol doesn't work on me, yet asprin or Ibuprofen does.


Is my faith in these other forms of medicine overpowering Tylenol's ability to give me some relief, or does Tylenol just not work for me?

I think faith has a lot to do with it.

I don't have any faith that the Tylenol will work.........so it doesn't.

Everything can be broken down to faith.......either you believe or you don't.

And it doesn't matter what you believe, if you can make it fall within your "faith" then you are right........regardless of your faith.


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7745016 - 12/11/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Is my faith in these other forms of medicine overpowering Tylenol's ability to give me some relief, or does Tylenol just not work for me?

I think faith has a lot to do with it.




No, it doesn't work that way. You formed your opinion that Tylenol doesn't work for you based on an observation. An observation is evidence, so when we're dealing with evidence we're not talking about faith anymore.

Quote:

I don't have any faith that the Tylenol will work.........so it doesn't.




As opposed to having faith in Tylenol and this actually making it work for you?
Sure, that would explain why so many kids who believe in santa make santa show up. :lol:
Seriously though, you can't possibly sustain that a belief can turn the is not to is.
Do you need faith to drink water? Then what you say is that without faith your thirst will never be quenched and this doesn't make any sense.

Quote:

Everything can be broken down to faith.......either you believe or you don't.




Yes, but believing that Tylenol would work for you if only you had faith in it doesn't mean that it will also happen


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Re: Faith [Re: niteowl]
    #7745066 - 12/11/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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niteowl said:
No point of reference needed.
I was talking about the general idea of faith, nothing specific.





Yeah MT gets it.

Nightowl, if you are talking about "General" faith and you are only using definitions 4-6 (And not 1-3)... you are using the wrong word.

If you don't want to talk about anything, "Specific", you are in the wrong forum.

Yes, faith means a lot of things, but if you are skipping the PRIMARY definitions... 9 times out of 10 there is a better word out there to describe what you really mean.


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Re: Faith [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7745474 - 12/11/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You can't prove that faith isn't the reason some drugs work and some don't........Thats one of the points I'm trying to make.


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Re: Faith [Re: Rose]
    #7745597 - 12/11/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Edit: Nevermind, I do not want to start an argument at this point.


Edited by daytripper23 (12/11/07 04:20 PM)


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