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tahoe
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Watering?? Some new school of thought??
#7739974 - 12/10/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I only come around here in the fall/winter do to the outdoor picking season and I like to check out the cultivation threads to see if anything new has come up and what has changed.
This year I have notice that everyone is paranoid of trich. last year and prior it was cobweb but now its trich. What gives??
I also notice and I assume that it has to do with the trich fear that you guys refuse to water your casings. I see all these pics of people wondering why their casings will not fruit and they are dry as a bone. Dusty ass peat, cracked caps, overlayed casings, rhizos growing 1/2" above the peat. Why don't you guys water. A spray bottle on the mist setting held 6" and higher above your casing and even AIMED DIRECTLY AT IT will not hurt your casing. Even if there are drops and small puddles.
Mushrooms require high humidity at the casing level, they pin and fruit after it rains in the wild. Keep your casings wet.
Try this, keep one side dry like you think you are supposed to and water the other side. You tell me which side produces more/bigger fruit
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Edited by tahoe (12/10/07 11:18 AM)
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: tahoe]
#7740018 - 12/10/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always keep my casing moist. And you're right, spraying directly at the casing does not hurt anything. At least from my experience.
I even went as far as dumping 2 cups of water in the casing to rehydrate it. Worked like a charm and flushed yet again with about 10g dry. I was impressed...And no trich, too.
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: Craighead]
#7740041 - 12/10/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i totally belive you man. ive just neglected these latley being out of town with work (cuz its winter) but i always remember hiking up north and seing all these mushies in the wild and how they are just covered in water in the morn and the ground is just saturated and they just look so healthy. so i know excatly the point your trying to get at and i appreciate it. thanks for the advice tahoe.
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: blood4blood]
#7740190 - 12/10/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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As long as I've been around here, cobweb has been nothing but a minor annoyance, while Trichoderma aggresivum has always been my mortal enemy.
I think the lack of watering/misting is just the result of inexperienced growers more than some sort of new trend.
Yes, you MUST mist them, OFTEN. You WANT there to be a small layer of water (just enough to make the pinning surface shiny) that will evaporate slowly - this environment encourages pin formation.
Don't DROWN your cakes/casings, but personally, I'd rather excessively water my casings than let them dry out ANY day.
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: Sillicybin]
#7740560 - 12/10/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This year I have notice that everyone is paranoid of trich. last year and prior it was cobweb but now its trich. What gives??
You must have missed the part in the middle where they were all afraid of overlay. RR
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7741610 - 12/10/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7741703 - 12/10/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
You must have missed the part in the middle where they were all afraid of overlay. RR
Ohh Its just the way the pendulum swings. They are always rocking the boat. If they spray it enough to get rid of the overlay then thre might be too much water and here comes the trich and other bacterias that kill mushrooms. So instead of watering it now they just keep it dry as a bone so it will not grow anything bad or good including mushrooms. WEll keeping them done dry is a good way to keep the trich away as well as the mushrooms.
It is all making sense now
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: ewikk055]
#7741706 - 12/10/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol, my friends that grow all spray their casings directly daily and leave them covered with tin foil in 80 degrees til they pin, then they don't get watered anymore until the flush is over and they go out of the fc under foil again. They are also a lot more sloppy than any procedure here details most of the time and the only infections seen in these mycellial tubs is a little cobweb mold in the cope cyans occasionally.
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: tahoe]
#7741726 - 12/10/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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tahoe said:
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RogerRabbit said:
You must have missed the part in the middle where they were all afraid of overlay. RR
Ohh Its just the way the pendulum swings. They are always rocking the boat. If they spray it enough to get rid of the overlay then thre might be too much water and here comes the trich and other bacterias that kill mushrooms. So instead of watering it now they just keep it dry as a bone so it will not grow anything bad or good including mushrooms. WEll keeping them done dry is a good way to keep the trich away as well as the mushrooms.
It is all making sense now
Wax paper + late casing might be the answer...
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: Nibin]
#7741742 - 12/10/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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All of the new techniques are starting to make grows more satisfactory.
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: ewikk055]
#7741745 - 12/10/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ewikk055 said: All of the new techniques are starting to make grows more satisfactory.
And harder to explain to new growers.
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: ewikk055]
#7741754 - 12/10/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What new techniques I been doing the same thing for a long time.
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7742023 - 12/10/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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This year I have notice that everyone is paranoid of trich. last year and prior it was cobweb but now its trich. What gives??
You must have missed the part in the middle where they were all afraid of overlay. RR
lmao. this really cracks me up, and is so true!! someone gets something, someone claims its something. another person reads this. checks theres. posts their pics. concerns. hahahaha. its funny. trich has been a problem...for me gurr
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: ewikk055]
#7742038 - 12/10/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ewikk055 said: All of the new techniques are starting to make grows more satisfactory.
I have not seem this yet. Now that I think of it I havent see a picture of a casing completely covered with mushrooms at all in the past few months.
Edited by tahoe (12/10/07 06:29 PM)
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: tahoe]
#7742175 - 12/10/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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OH OH TIME TO TAKE PHOTOS! =)
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: tahoe]
#7742327 - 12/10/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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tahoe said:
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ewikk055 said: All of the new techniques are starting to make grows more satisfactory.
I have not seem this yet. Now that I think of it I havent see a picture of a casing completely covered with mushrooms at all in the past few months.
A post from last week http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7710308#7710308
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: Nibin]
#7743069 - 12/10/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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nibin, did you notice that the casing was not all over grown?
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: tahoe]
#7743173 - 12/10/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah tahoe I like this time of year. I notice a lot of people have problems watering. Hydrating between fruitings is key, it just can be tricky for some. Patching/re-caseing between flushes after 'dunking' really helps bring in more yeilds, longer. From cakes to bulk.
With my indoor/outdoor experiments now and then I toss a single tub out in the rain to re-hydrate. Sounds like a contam city, I know, but its not...
  
I get lucky sometimes and catch a rain just after a second flush harvest. The third was grand.
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Premedman1 said: And harder to explain to new growers.
Comming from whats been popular in the past- but if they learned with the new ways, then there would be no problem. I think if a new grower can keep his mind open they wont have any problem learning 'new styles 'of growing.
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RogerRabbit said: ...You must have missed the part in the middle where they were all afraid of overlay...
Thats too funny and still it seems...
Edited by Civ (12/10/07 11:00 PM)
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: Civ]
#7743737 - 12/11/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dunk my things outside too. Idk how it doesnt catch contams but it seems to bring in a nice yield.
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Re: Watering?? Some new school of thought?? [Re: legallyhomeless]
#7743766 - 12/11/07 02:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think an indoor environment provides a perfect place for most, if not all the contams we dread to thrive in. This would be next to impossible for them outdoors, hence little chance of contamination unless it's high pollen season or something.
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