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blood4blood
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why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics)
#7739737 - 12/10/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i put this redboy bulk in my pmp (poor mans pod) on 11-23 and this is all the bigger my mushrooms are! they arent growing very fast at all. is it the temps? between 60-65. i still manually fan and mist around 3-4 times per day. there are (2) 1 1/2" holes in the lid of my pmp and i leave the lid loose. my hygrometer is right on, and it says humidity is between 95-98% throughout the day.
the sides of the bulk are starting to pull away from the container a little bit now. does that mean that my bulk is getting to dry?
i dont know what to do. i dont want this thing to get contaminated before i get a flush.
any help would be much appreciated. thanks
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: blood4blood]
#7739759 - 12/10/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i don't have an answer to your situation but keeping my fingers cross for a healthy flush of these fatties =))
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: whereismymind]
#7739782 - 12/10/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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how thick is your substrate? how thick is your casing layer?
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: blood4blood]
#7739791 - 12/10/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm in no means a pro but I do see a few problems:
- The casing layer looks too dry with uneven moisture content throughout the tray.
-Recommend misting to bring it to near saturation.
- You have Trichoderma contamination resulting in slow fruiting.
-Point of no return. Not much you can do to combat this other than to set the tray outdoors to finish fruiting.
- Temperature is a bit on the cool side for fruiting if they are Cubensis.
-Raise the temperature.
- Your casing layer is very chunky. Having these large chunks of wood and other materials hold bacteria and have the ability to throw the PH level of the casing off resulting in an easier infestation.
-When preparing the casing layer try to filter out the large chunks and be sure to thoroughly pasteurize it. -Also, to help with PH Levels Calcium Carbonate should be added to the casing layer before pasteurizing.
I wish there was an easy fix but there is not.
Better luck next time. And don't be discouraged over this, just take heed the above warnings for next time.
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blood4blood
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: anarchOi]
#7739798 - 12/10/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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sub is probabally 2.5
casing is thin at only 1/4" or so
it was a small bulk. 1 qrt rye spawned to 1 qrt coir no additives.
think i should be misting the casing more?
i moved the whole set-up to a walkin closet where i usually incubate my jars that stays around 80 or so. hopefully this will help
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: whereismymind]
#7739805 - 12/10/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've noticed with my ksss strain, when I turn the space heater of and forget to turn back on, the temp. Drops to 63f after 2 day all growth slows to amost nothing and it takes a few days at 72 to get things moving again. The bulk will always pull away and shrink for the myc. Eating.
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: NotForIngestion]
#7739807 - 12/10/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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[quoteYou have Trichoderma contamination resulting in slow fruiting. -Point of no return. Not much you can do to combat this other than to set the tray outdoors to finish fruiting.
you see trich in there? because i dont really see it.
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: blood4blood]
#7739847 - 12/10/07 10:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I might be wrong so sorry if I am. I guess I could be a little color blind but I'm seeing some green.

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blood4blood
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: NotForIngestion]
#7739865 - 12/10/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea i dont know.. ill keep an eye on those spots and if it doesnt get worse in the next couple days i wont worry about it. thanks though
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: blood4blood]
#7739898 - 12/10/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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One quick observation -
Along with your casing layer being chunky as mentioned, I think you may have initiated pinning prematurely. I usually let my casing become a bit more colonized than that.
What did you use for a casing layer?
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blood4blood
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: Sillicybin]
#7739924 - 12/10/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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50/50 verm peat (no additives)
i probabally did put it in fruiting conditions way to early. its my first run at bulk so ill learn alot of what not to do for next time.
but i thought you were supposed to put into fruiting as soon as myc started popping up through the casing. with the exception of patching the really vigorous spots.
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: blood4blood]
#7739950 - 12/10/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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they are growing slow because they are dry. Where did this new thing about not watering your casings come up? Look at all the dry verm up in the left
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: Sillicybin]
#7739964 - 12/10/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Another little FYI:-I've had Trichoderma before, and I thought I had just a little bit. But later, my casing halted completely and fruits began to shrink. So knowing that it was basically dead and/or dieing, I took the chunk of Substrate and Casing layer and Broke it in two right down the middle. The most beautiful Trichoderma Green (  ) I've ever witnessed had taken over the material from bottom to top. So all I'm tring to say is that: If Trichoderma is showing up on top, it's probably well established beneath the casing layer. So after this I took more careful consideration of PH Levels and fresh air and no standing water. CLEANED MY MYCOLOGY AREA VERY WELL WITH BLEACH AND REPLACED MY HOME AC FILTER. Haven't seen the green bitch in a good while.  Oh yes 1 more thing: - Do you have some sort of Vermiculite layer on the bottom of that aluminum tray?
-Unnecessary and causes more problems than it solves.
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: tahoe]
#7739969 - 12/10/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tahoe beat me to it. Too dry. Pour water from the faucet and totally soak the casing layer and fill up the area around the edges of the tray. Let the substrate soak for a few hours, and then dump out anything that hasn't absorbed. Those fruits will double in size overnight. RR
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7739972 - 12/10/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Are we saying that is not Trich?
Just Bluing?
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: tahoe]
#7739973 - 12/10/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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definitely too cold and too dry but they could just be some stubborn mushrooms. i had some amazonians once that took 2 weeks to mature from pins with their temperature and humidity fine. oh and it looked to me as though you may have a few aborts as well.
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7739993 - 12/10/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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RR- pouring water over the pins wont hurt them?
i filled up the tray, it is soaking now. i gave the casing a dunk under the water that the sub is sitting in.
Notforlngestion- no, there is no verm atthe bottom of that tray and its a plastic tray.
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: blood4blood]
#7740008 - 12/10/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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no the direct water will not hurt, you can soak the casing. I would just spray it though
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: tahoe]
#7741137 - 12/10/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so i gave it a 4 hr soak. just wondering if the lower temps are still going to play a big role in these things starting to grow?
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Re: why are these taking soooo long to grow? (pics) [Re: blood4blood]
#7741208 - 12/10/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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stop wondering and start doing. This stuff isnt rocket science. Just keep your casing layer moist and leave it be. They will grow. We cant tell you if soaking the casing for 4 hours is going to slow/increase the fruiting time. If it does it might be by 1 day.
What screws you noobs up the most is all the messing around you guys do. 1 day you got your fc at 80 and no pins so the next day you drop them to 65 and no pins. So then you thik you have to dunk and still no pins. Then its too much light then not enough. I used to grow them in my closet with the door barely cracked open and they were fine.
Leave it be, keep it moist. let the casing get used to a normal cycle then give it a week.
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