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Re: Psilocybe pellicullosa/silvatica [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27274662 - 03/29/21 03:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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semilancreator said:
I think that what Renegade ment was that he thinks Fimetaria as a species will end up like Stictipes did... first being a seperate species however after proper analysis turning out to be in fact just Semilanceata. I think Renegade has the opinion that Fimetaria is a weird variety of Semilanceata



That is not correct.  Psilocybe fimetaria is a good species with a unique DNA sequence.



Perhaps sequence not so unique if it's identical to 'fimetaria' from this thread.
Why would specimen from high altitude coniferous forest match with European dung loving Psilocybe with a different morphology ?

Reference database for fimetaria is very weak.
Considering Genbank entries, I assume you were working with specimens collected September 5th, 1968 by R. J. Benedict in Washington, USA and with the original type specimens of Watling - collected two years prior, September 21st 1966 in Idaho, USA.
Also with one specimen from France.

You said this "pelliculosa/silvatica" got 2 matches, with which of those 3 fimetarias? I can't blast the results atm, my pc is broken.

Meanwhile I've seen some compelling photos of fimetaria from the Netherlands, so I'm slowly changing my mind about existence of fimetaria as a distinct species, but I'm working with semilancreator to understand it better.
I also wonder if Orton and Watling types even match.

Whatever the case may be, fimetaria is interesting and should be studied.


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Re: Psilocybe pellicullosa/silvatica [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27276325 - 03/30/21 08:54 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Perhaps sequence not so unique if it's identical to 'fimetaria' from this thread. Why would specimen from high altitude coniferous forest match with European dung loving Psilocybe with a different morphology ?




A pipetting error is a possibility.  I wasn't very good at pipetting in 2012.

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Reference database for fimetaria is very weak.




I have more sequences than are in Genbank.  Some I submitted a couple days ago and will be in Genbank in a few days, others are sequences that other researchers sent me and asked me to keep them private until they publish them.


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Considering Genbank entries, I assume you were working with specimens collected September 5th, 1968 by R. J. Benedict in Washington, USA and with the original type specimens of Watling - collected two years prior, September 21st 1966 in Idaho, USA.




Those haven't been sequenced yet and are in the Kew herbarium.  I don't have a way to access those.


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You said this "pelliculosa/silvatica" got 2 matches, with which of those 3 fimetarias? I can't blast the results atm, my pc is broken.




It matches all of the fimetaria sequences I have.

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I also wonder if Orton and Watling types even match.




Hopefully it still can be found and has good DNA.

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Whatever the case may be, fimetaria is interesting and should be studied.




I'll put it on agar and send the culture to people who like to grow rare stuff.


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Re: Psilocybe pellicullosa/silvatica [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27276664 - 03/31/21 04:59 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Cool. Thanks for the explanation.

I understand whole fimetaria thing much better now.


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Re: Psilocybe pellicullosa/silvatica [Re: RenegadeMycologist]
    #27280398 - 04/24/21 12:33 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Hopefully the package to Alan arrives soon and we can sequence it and when our people in spain do the same we will know a lot more. This year will be the year of the Fimetaria :laugh:


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