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    #7738593 - 12/09/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have a monotub that has just began pinning, some of the pins are 2 inches tall where some of the others are much smaller. The tubs have condensation on the sides of them and I was wondering if this would be enough humidity to take them to maturity or should I spray them down. The problem I have with spraying my casings are they tend to abort or become moldy if I spray them down even if I let them air out for an hour after spraying them down. Should I get a cool mist on them or should I just let them be?


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #7738604 - 12/09/07 10:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

why would you be affraid to spray the casing???
You are supposed to!


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7738605 - 12/09/07 10:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

matter of fact, why dont you spray just one side of the casing and not do anyhting to the other. You tell me which side does better?


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7738651 - 12/09/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Spraying will not hurt the fruits or the casing. spray indirectly a few inches above the surface with the mister tip turned on its finest setting (if that is an option). just dont spray too many times and over-saturate the casing or have too many drops of water on the fruits... this is sometimes what can cause them to abort is large drops of water on the pins. but even that may not be a problem at this stage. Just realize that in nature the mushrooms usually start to pin after a heavy rain so it can be hard to have them get "too" wet when you get them to pin successfully, but at the same time if they look like healthy pins then you should not have to spray any. Pics might help


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: dkamp]
    #7738661 - 12/09/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ill get some pics up tomorrow


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #7739462 - 12/10/07 07:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Mist well and then fan the hell out of the casing to dry up all the droplets.


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: Nibin]
    #7740223 - 12/10/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here are some pictures. This started from a grain transfer of a clone of PE I had. Now that they started popping up im hoping i did not mistake one of my multi spore jars and grain transfer that, do they still look like they could have come from my clone jar? Back to the original question is it time to spray them even with the knotting like it is in some places. In one of the pictures you can see some of the caps begingin to rot b/c of water this is what happend once with the entire grow but i guess it was because i did not let them air out enough.
They are on a mixture of coir and coffee with a depth of just over 3 inches.











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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #7740655 - 12/10/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I looks fine to me, I wouldn't spray it. However, If you really want to give it a spray, a light misting wouldn't hurt anything. It looks pretty damp in there so I say you shouldn't.


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: diablovt1125]
    #7740980 - 12/10/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if you spray make sure its from a pretty good distance and put some power into it so that it produced a very fine mist.


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7741283 - 12/10/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Mr Dubs,
Do me a favor and mist 1/3 of 1 of those tubs 1-2 a day for the next couple of weeks. then tell me which is better. You have some nice looking tubs there but you notice that very uneven pin set. Well? You are not supposed to let the casing get that colonized.
Actualy do this, take a clean frok and lightly scrath the surface of the area that you will spray, then maybe add a little fresh casing to it and spray to keep the mycelium from growing over the surface, you want to see the mycelium creeping along just under the surface, not all white on top like your pics


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7741317 - 12/10/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

1st off pic these rotting ones. They will lead to nothing but trouble.

2nd, you notice that your biggest best looking cluster is growing from the section where the caing isnt overlayed?? See the dark casing with little if any rhizos growing over the top. This is how it is supposed to be.




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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7741340 - 12/10/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Mr Dubs,
Do me a favor and mist 1/3 of 1 of those tubs 1-2 a day for the next couple of weeks. then tell me which is better. You have some nice looking tubs there but you notice that very uneven pin set. Well? You are not supposed to let the casing get that colonized.
Actualy do this, take a clean frok and lightly scrath the surface of the area that you will spray, then maybe add a little fresh casing to it and spray to keep the mycelium from growing over the surface, you want to see the mycelium creeping along just under the surface, not all white on top like your pics




It's a while since the last time giving a casing a scrape was suggested. People haven't been getting overlay the last couple of months.


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: Nibin]
    #7741345 - 12/10/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well this isnt good. notice how all the bigger clusters are growing from the areas where the casing layer isn't completely over ran by the mycelium


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7741438 - 12/10/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

To Original Poster: What is the substrate and casing material?


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: Nibin]
    #7741560 - 12/10/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Casting is just jiffy mix that had lime in it substrate is coir and coffee


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7744720 - 12/11/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Mr Dubs,
Do me a favor and mist 1/3 of 1 of those tubs 1-2 a day for the next couple of weeks. then tell me which is better. You have some nice looking tubs there but you notice that very uneven pin set. Well? You are not supposed to let the casing get that colonized.
Actualy do this, take a clean frok and lightly scrath the surface of the area that you will spray, then maybe add a little fresh casing to it and spray to keep the mycelium from growing over the surface, you want to see the mycelium creeping along just under the surface, not all white on top like your pics




So when I fruit my bins I wait about 2 or 3 days after i put my casing layer on when I get a patch or so of mycelium. So your saying to spray it after I fruit it everyday so that I dont get any growth on the top right? When Should I stop spraying it?


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #7744769 - 12/11/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you shouldnt stop. When you see some mycelium poking through mist it. The casing layer shouldnt get matted down but should be moist. it should always have enough wetness that if you took a handfull and squeezed it that water drops would come out. Like a snow ball. If the snow is super dry it will not stick together if it is wet and slushy it will stick together and drip


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Re: I'm afraid to spray down my casing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7744786 - 12/11/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I really like your casing pic, it has potential to produce a years supply for you. Maybe pic some mushrooms from one side of one of those tubs and put 1/4th inch of fresh casing on it and keep it from overgrowing like the rest. Spray with direct water once a day on that side and watch it grow. It will be a few days behind the rest of the tub but the casing layer will provide the proper humidity level for the mushrooms to pin and produce


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Re: I'm afraid to spray down my casing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7744847 - 12/11/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I understood it with a monotub are you not suppose to just set it and forget it, with the only time opening it is to lay the casing if it were to be used?, as opening causes a flux letting the humidity out and possible contams in?


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Re: I'm afraid to spray down my casing, should I? [Re: rougetarget]
    #7744957 - 12/11/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

wrong!? What the hell is a monotub? Just a tub with casings in it?
I believe you have to get humidity and fresh air unless you have a ultrasonic humidifier plugged into one side and an exhuast on the other. BUt ultrasonics do not seem to work well with casings becasue they producee too much moisture and would drown a casing. Now cakes on teh other hand love ultrasonics


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Re: I'm afraid to spray down my casing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7744996 - 12/11/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Monotubs are rubbermaid bins the bottoms of which are completely filled with bulk substrate and spawn. If misted correctly, they will maintain their own humidity levels.

If you can avoid it, you want to avoid checking on monotubs while they're colonizing and never mist them. Mist only after the bulk has completely colonized or after casing.

After fully colonized, you can check/mist/fan as much as you desire. The nice thing about them is that you CAN neglect them and still get nice flushes, but you'll get optimal flushes if you fan and mist a couple times a day.

I personally disagree with the method of scratching the pinning surface with a fork. I've tried it, and NEVER had any success getting pins from this.


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Re: I'm afraid to spray down my casing, should I? [Re: Sillicybin]
    #7745100 - 12/11/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that is what I thought mono tubs were. scratching is a last resort to kotted up overlay.

As for mono tubs that are mesy. Cleaning the whole thing out and what not. I guess they are only ten bucks and you will get your money back if you trash it.
Anyways, the monto tub will keep the right humidity in the air but the casing layer can/will still dry out. Alos the water draoplets from the sides will soak the substrate which isnt good. That stagnent water isnt a good thing. Regualr casing trays will collect a little bit of water in the side but nothing compared to a mono tub


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Re: I'm afraid to spray down my casing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7745205 - 12/11/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

looks pretty decent to me.... just mist the sides once a day and in the air above the casings once or twice and fan twice a day... i wouldn't scratch though..... nice knots casing pulling away from the edge.......invest in a vicks cool mist so it does all the misting and faning for you


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    #7745219 - 12/11/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

next time work on ur patch casing too..... it looks a little neglected.....case... wait2days.........patch case........wait2 days fruit.... it may not be perfect but i think you can handle that... very simple it will increase ur yeid so i think you should atleast try it


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: Nibin]
    #7745255 - 12/11/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Casting is just jiffy mix that had lime in it substrate is coir and coffee


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #7745289 - 12/11/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going to let the first flush finish then I'm going to put a casing layer on and spray it down 2 times a day and see what happends. Sound good?


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #7745307 - 12/11/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

sounds good but there might already be a pin set. If you do not have a great result in this experiment you will have to try it next time when you case it. Spraying it twice a day might be too much, you just want to keep the mycelium from criss crossing the top of the casing layer. You want to see white but you want it just below the surface


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Re: Im afraid to spray down my cassing, should I? [Re: tahoe]
    #7745407 - 12/11/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Read up on the late casing strategy.

Might apply to you

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7708447#7708447


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