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Bandersnatch
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Possible Subbalteatus?
#7738056 - 12/09/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I found a shitton of these guys in a friend's backyard in Southern California. I'm thinking they're Subbs but I don't observe any bruising. It rained heavily the other day.



Habitat: Southern California, backyard. It stays pretty moist back there and the soil is rich. Under oak trees.
Gills: The gill color varies from a tannish to a dark brown The seem to be adnate.
Stem: Reddish, pretty fragile, breaks easily when twisted.
Cap: Tan, brown smooth, zonate on most specimens 3/4inch to 1 1/2inches in diameter.
Spore print color: Black
Bruising: No observed bruising.
Location: Southern California
So what do you guys think?
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landsnorkler


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Nope. Those are psathyrellas.
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Bandersnatch
Frumious


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That was going to be my next guess. Noob for the win.
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origami.octopus
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dont give up.
keep at it
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Bandersnatch
Frumious


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So upon a couple of hours of drying it seems that those zonate regions were just moisture trapped between the gills. The caps are all just a uniform tan as seen in the center of the photos above.
Fo' sho not subbs.
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El Zorro
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Actually, Subbs will also all turn a uniform color as they dry out. That's what the term hygrophanous means.
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2859558484
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Re: Possible Subbalteatus? [Re: El Zorro]
#7740536 - 12/10/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wtf yall? those arent subbs? looks like its some subbs that got raned on to me, i say theya re subbs.
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haymaker
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Re: Possible Subbalteatus? [Re: 2859558484]
#7740654 - 12/10/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i was inclined to say yes when i first saw them, but they do look a bit funny.
if they are psathyrella then they wont be poisonous, so maybe try a low dose?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Possible Subbalteatus? [Re: haymaker]
#7740853 - 12/10/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am sure these are Psathyrella. The shape of the cap gives them away, and the gills don't look like Panaeolus gills and the stems are thin Psathyrella stems.
Looks like P. gracilis:
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Psathyrella_gracilis.html
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GGreatOne234
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Quote:
I am sure these are Psathyrella. The shape of the cap gives them away, and the gills don't look like Panaeolus gills and the stems are thin Psathyrella stems.
Agreed. Keep looking though.
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pscyanescens
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Re: Possible Subbalteatus? [Re: haymaker]
#7740925 - 12/10/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psathyrella microrrhiza is my guess. Thees guys are growing all over my property since last year when i imported a shit load of wood chips. Here is picture from this year in my front yard.
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scout24
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Almost definitely not subbs. Looks like Psathyrella to me too.
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Bandersnatch
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Re: Possible Subbalteatus? [Re: El Zorro]
#7741368 - 12/10/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very cool, didn't know that.
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Bandersnatch
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pscyanescens said: Psathyrella microrrhiza is my guess.
They look kind of similar, but I think the waviness of the stems on those sets them apart from what I've got.
Edited by Bandersnatch (12/10/07 04:28 PM)
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scout24
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Re: Possible Subbalteatus? [Re: scout24]
#7741487 - 12/10/07 04:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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check out this pic of subbs for a comparison.
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2859558484
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Re: Possible Subbalteatus? [Re: scout24]
#7741854 - 12/10/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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my bad, i am used to playing in cowshit.
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pscyanescens
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Re: Possible Subbalteatus? [Re: 2859558484]
#7743138 - 12/10/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bandersnatch: I didn't notice that. The caps look identical how they dried and cracked. I take it they don't have a pellicle?
I have never found subs that i know were subs, but does anyone know if they have a pellicle? I know it is a very common psilocybe trademark but subs are not in the psilocybe family so i don't know?
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landsnorkler


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no, subbs don't have a pellicle.
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PinheadX
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subbs are panaeolus, not psilocybe. Panaeolus species tend to have caps that crack as they dry out.
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Bandersnatch
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They don't have any evidence of a pellicle.
I'm pretty certain you're right about them being Psathyrella. There's a ton more growing out there in big patches if you guys want pictures of them growing.
They're harder to see now that it's drying out because they're about the same color as the oak leaves that they're growing through.
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CureCat
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pscyanescens said: Psathyrella microrrhiza is my guess.
No, they are as alan decribed, P. gracilis. This collection is a perfect example of the species in fact.
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cactu
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psathyrella and panaeolus are some how difficult to differentiate one are wet and look zonate as subb. but the gill don't have mooted appearance as in all panaeolus, also psathyrella stem are very fragile, the conic shape is more commons is psthyrella in caps , that the convex or campanulate shape of all panaeolus, psathyrella are very efimerus don´t last too much, panaeolus almost all the time grow on grassy areas, not on mulch or next to plants only if manure, or compost manure is there. once psathyrella is dry is very easy to differentiate the straw color psathyrella get5 almost white sometimes or creamy and panaeolus become more darker in age. all my best when in doubt use all the other features location, habitat, time of the year,color smell,taste,spore color,stem features etc. master the mushrooms identification is a game of all days because once you are stat thinking you are the big shoot you start unknown others thing , in this game is always learn and learn , nobody will be master the one who think it is will derrocated soon by others. all my best vibrationz
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