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Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz
#7737761 - 12/09/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You betcha.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
#7737786 - 12/09/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah... im so glad i still have my xp
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Locus]
#7737876 - 12/09/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i found a good iso torrent with the crakced cd key and everything...but i forgot it.
i might be able to send you a copy of the disk for something
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: nobhdy]
#7738272 - 12/09/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, I just installed Vista on a separate partition - I knew it would suck, and I got this copy for free from my job. Thank you though
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
#7738285 - 12/09/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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had to try 
well dont worry much. Vista service pack one is to come out soon and should fix up alot of things.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: nobhdy]
#7739632 - 12/10/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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nobhdy said: had to try 
well dont worry much. Vista service pack one is to come out soon and should fix up alot of things.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
#7740326 - 12/10/07 12:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What dont you like about Vista? Most of the issues have been fixed with hotfixes and new drivers. I think most people hate vista because its the cool thing to do so you sound like you know what you are talking about.
Turn of UAC and the annoying security boxes stop popping up, get new drivers, and get all the updates from Microsoft. Most problems are solved that way.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7740593 - 12/10/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> What dont you like about Vista?
It is slow, it is bloated, it is difficult to use, it is ugly, it is buggy, it disables my digital outputs... did I mention that it is slow?
> I think most people hate vista because its the cool thing to do
Oh yeah... I enjoy disliking things 'cause it is the "in thing" ... 
> urn of UAC and the annoying security boxes stop popping up, get new drivers, and get all the updates from Microsoft.
Or just install XP and don't worry about UAC, new drivers, new updates, and all that extra stuff that one shouldn't have to worry about when getting a new computer.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7743176 - 12/10/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Three words: virgin network stack
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
#7743181 - 12/10/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, and you might be shocked to find out how much information you've agreed to allow Microsoft access to on your computer in that EULA you didn't read.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7743828 - 12/11/07 04:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If its slow its your computer. If its buggy you need to update. New drivers are an issue no matter what OS you have. My 8800 drivers were worse on XP than on Vista when I got them. You dont NEED to deal with updates on any OS but every OS has issues not just vista. UAC is there for protection not to be annoying. If you dont want the extra security turn it off. Microsoft users complained about security issues so Microsoft added more and now people complain.
Its ok to bitch about vista because you cant run it on your machine, just make sure you state that your computer is the issue. Vista is not slow or difficult to use.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7743838 - 12/11/07 05:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> If its slow its your computer.
Incorrect. There are numerous examples of people running benchmarks on a fresh vista install, then running the same benchmark on the exact same computer with a fresh XP install. On average, XP runs three times faster than Vista on the exact same hardware. Vista is bloated, poorly written (at least the parts that I have seen), and very slow.
> Microsoft users complained about security issues so Microsoft added more and now people complain.
That is because Microsoft didn't fix the problem, and instead gave us a choice: slow, unusable and "secure" or slow, usable and insecure. The windows design, based upon a single user system, is inherently insecure. Without a complete redesign of the paradigm, there is little Microsoft can do to fix the problem. Unfortunately, to fix the problem would destroy backwards compatibility with almost all existing Microsoft compatible software. They managed to dig themselves a very deep hole and have no easy way to get out of it.
> Vista is not slow or difficult to use
Vista is slow in every definition of the word I have ever seen. It isn't the hardware, it isn't the drivers, it isn't the configuration... it is Vista that is slow. It is also more difficult to use if you are used to older versions of Windows... once you get used to the changes, then usability is not much different.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7744159 - 12/11/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I couldn't agree with you more Seuss. I made the mistake of upgrading to Vista Ult from XP Pro and had to change back. The thing that really sucked was I had to format my hard drive to get XP back on, as Vista does not have a feature to uninstall the upgrade.
It took me a good 8 hours of backup and another 8 hours to format, load XP, and transfer all my files again. What a pain in the ass!
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7745242 - 12/11/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have vista on 2 Desktops and 1 lapop and XP on 1 Desktop and 2 laptops and vista runs just as well on the desktops as it does on the laptops. I really think the hardware you are using or the hardware in the tests you have seen is too low for vista. I see no difference in performance between XP and Vista. Im using Home Premiere or whatever it is called for vista and Home Edition for XP.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7746591 - 12/11/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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its sad really. oh well, im very comfortable with XP, and have no problems working on it for the next 5 years. I would switch to mac and run osx with xp if they didn't rape their customers with overpriced proprietary hardware.
fuck all that, xp is a bootleggers paradise.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kotik]
#7748984 - 12/12/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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XP > Vista, XP should never have changed, it was good still is, and microsoft should stop feeding the consumer's "need" for a new OS, because most consumers don't know what they need.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Frosty_Storm]
#7749607 - 12/12/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Frosty_Storm said: XP > Vista, XP should never have changed, it was good still is, and microsoft should stop feeding the consumer's "need" for a new OS, because most consumers don't know what they need.
So they should change their Business plan to save you money? That seems like a poor business plan.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7749809 - 12/12/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i can see us making the same arguments for vista when the next os comes out.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: nobhdy]
#7751382 - 12/12/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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doubt it. i will go to linux before i go to vista, without a doubt.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
#7751829 - 12/12/07 10:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eh
Might as well learn it, businesses will eventually go to it, when they have no choice. Microsoft runs shit.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: nobhdy]
#7751890 - 12/12/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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nobhdy said: i can see us making the same arguments for vista when the next os comes out.
yep, it happened when XP came out. remember ME? what a joke.
any unix os > windows
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Boom]
#7752628 - 12/13/07 05:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ME was a joke, it was windows 98 with a suicide mechanism built in!
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: anonymous123]
#7752631 - 12/13/07 06:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> any unix os > windows
Spoken by somebody that was never forced to run HPUX.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Boom]
#7772550 - 12/18/07 01:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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only rich businesses can afford to go to it right now. it requires serious hardware.
upgrading 500 laptops to is a lot more challenging than upgrading your home pc. there is a lot of work involved in changing infrastructures. our business will not be using vista for at least 2 years.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
#7775123 - 12/18/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You need 2 gigs of ram to run Vista, if you don't have the 2 gigs it's going to run slow & jam up & i am hearing that there are new computers being sold that don't have the 2 gigs needed for the O/S, why they are doing that is beyond me.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: A3eyedfish]
#7776260 - 12/19/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have 2 gigs and vista still ran slow as shit I've been switching around from Ubuntu, Mandriva, and XP install discs. Can't figure out the wireless internet configuration for the life of me. And Wine Emulator is too glitchy to run windows apps smoothly. May just have to settle for one of these XP torrents... if I can ever get it to recognize my broadband connection. 
But seriously, did I mention Vista fuckings blows. Fook you microsoft for ripping off your customers, once again.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Great Scott]
#7776325 - 12/19/07 01:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Apparently your other hardware must have sucked or something. No one I know (including the businesses I have worked at) have had any issues with vista with the exception of drivers (which is not microsofts fault its the hardware manufacturers).
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Great Scott]
#7776432 - 12/19/07 03:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> I have 2 gigs and vista still ran slow as shit
From what I have been told, vista requires at least 2g of ram and a high end video card (with at least 128M of video ram) to run smoothly.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7776472 - 12/19/07 04:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah... think of vista like a game, you can have the minimum required specs but you wont like the performance.
Not the right way to do an OS in my opinion, but I am lucky enough to have a higher end machine.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7776473 - 12/19/07 04:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7776508 - 12/19/07 05:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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2 gig's should be the minimum, although I'm running vista on 1g and a low end 256mb video card with pretty much no problems. I had it installed back in the beginning of the summer and had numerous driver and software compatibility problems, so I got rid of it. I installed it again a couple weeks ago, ran all the updates and upgraded the programs I was having problems with and it seems to running fine now. I did ask Santa for another 2g's of ram though.
If I ever have time to figure out how to install my nvidia drivers and Beryl in Ubuntu, I think I would be using vista alot less....
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7777901 - 12/19/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is it really my hardware though? Windows XP and Linux both run lightning quick on the same machine
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Great Scott]
#7778258 - 12/19/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im pretty sure it is. Vista is VERY demanding of hardware. I wouldnt even try to run it on anything less than 2gb RAM and at least a 256MB Video Card. Not to mention HDD space is a big issue as well.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7778464 - 12/19/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Runs awesome on my desktop. Then again I have an amd 5600 and 3 gigs of ram. I can't bitch though picked up the whole system for only $750 dollars with a keyboard mouse and 17 inch lcd.
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Eh, I have 4 gigs, but not even all of it shows up with XP.
I'm running the quad-core Q6600, and they sent me an extra 320-gig sata hard drive when I ordered the stuff for my build. Whenever I get the time, I want to set up some form of linux, and Vista on the other hard drive.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7779093 - 12/19/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also did I mention my computer came pre-loaded with Vista? The hardware is supposed to work fine with it. I would have gotten XP from the start if they would have given me a choice!!
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Great Scott]
#7779236 - 12/19/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then it does run for you. Just slow. Always check the system requirements before buying a machine pre-loaded with a new OS.
Its not completely your fault though, the average Joe probably trusts Microsoft and/or the company he or she is buying their PC from. They should have told you it ran slow or something.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7780327 - 12/20/07 02:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If a computer manufacturer includes components with properties implying a certain level of performance in a properly setup machine, the blame is not on the consumer- I feel.
It would seem the blame is either on the component manufacturer for making a driver that sucks and the manufacturer who included a component that doesn't work to a level implied by the stats and their advertising of the system.
The consumer doesn't have a responsibility to check compatiblity unless they have a choice as to what to install and choose an incompatible or sub-optimal performance.
If a peripheral's manufacturer advertises a certain stat, and this stat cannot be obtained with windows, or is irrelevant due to other limiting factors, than they need to include a disclaimer saying that, or they should be sued for decpetion, perhaps fraud.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: johnm214]
#7780618 - 12/20/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So if I buy Crysis pre-loaded on a machine with the minimum specs and it runs extremely slow I am not at fault?
Its the same with Operating Systems.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
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Vista is a billion dollar skin that makes your computer slow.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Annom]
#7782608 - 12/20/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I truly hate Vista office, with all my heart and soul. If its not broke don't fucking fix it, do they not learn this when coding a big fat micro$oft logo button?
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: xFrockx]
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Agreed. There was nothing wrong with windows XP. Yet Microsoft went ahead and "de-evolved" to a shittier OS... For what reason?? Beats me. Maybe they made more money doing it this way? Hmmm...
But yeah, if you walk into a computer retailer and buy a computer with a certain OS installed as the default operating system... then yes, i feel you as the consumer should have every right to assume that it's GOING TO FUCKING WORK LOL
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7789915 - 12/22/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Apparently your other hardware must have sucked or something. No one I know (including the businesses I have worked at) have had any issues with vista with the exception of drivers (which is not microsofts fault its the hardware manufacturers).
So let's say tomorrow we start paving the roads with a new kind of asphault that ordinary tires will not drive on. Are you saying it's not the pavers' faults, but the car manufacturers' ? Shouldn't the manufacturers even have any say in the new paving (not in if Microsoft is the paver)
Here you can see the problem with Microsoft's share of control of things. They force the rest of the industry into a tight spot and many companies will ultimately go under probably as a result of Vista.
Isn't it really both their faults?
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
#7799822 - 12/26/07 12:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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boo vistaaa yay xp
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: kake]
#7799879 - 12/26/07 12:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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kake said:
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AaronEvil said: Apparently your other hardware must have sucked or something. No one I know (including the businesses I have worked at) have had any issues with vista with the exception of drivers (which is not microsofts fault its the hardware manufacturers).
So let's say tomorrow we start paving the roads with a new kind of asphault that ordinary tires will not drive on. Are you saying it's not the pavers' faults, but the car manufacturers' ? Shouldn't the manufacturers even have any say in the new paving (not in if Microsoft is the paver)
Here you can see the problem with Microsoft's share of control of things. They force the rest of the industry into a tight spot and many companies will ultimately go under probably as a result of Vista.
Isn't it really both their faults?
Thats a bad comparison. Its like if a new car was introduced with new tires that didnt work on current asphault. Its the buyers fault, not the makers.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: AaronEvil]
#7799991 - 12/26/07 02:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AaronEvil said: What dont you like about Vista? Most of the issues have been fixed with hotfixes and new drivers. I think most people hate vista because its the cool thing to do so you sound like you know what you are talking about.
Turn of UAC and the annoying security boxes stop popping up, get new drivers, and get all the updates from Microsoft. Most problems are solved that way.
Absolutely. Most people complaining about Vista are doing so nowadays because they keep hearing from other people how "shitty" Vista is. I'll admit its not perfect but its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Another large group of people who run Vista complain "it makes my computer run so slow". Chances are you just have a shitty computer and shouldn't be upgrading OS's if you aren't prepared to upgrade the hardware as well.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: MeatyVitamin]
#7800111 - 12/26/07 04:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> I'll admit its not perfect but its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
AaronEvil and I have been through this... I respect his opinion, but you are going to have to do better than that if you want to convince me. Vista being "good or not" is based almost completely upon what you are trying to do with it (ignoring the hardware aspect of the issue).
Although I have a lot of gripes about Vista, the big one (for me) is that it is "crippleware". Microsoft jumped in bed with the DRM/DMCA/RIAA/MPAA pricks and cripple my very expensive hardware to prevent me from potentially violating some copyright. Imagine buying a Xerox copier and finding that it will only copy handwritten text as type written text is probably copyrighted.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7801258 - 12/26/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll admit I'm no expert when it comes to computers. But I run a lot of pirated software, and I haven't experienced any such problems with my computer preventing me from running things due to the DMCA/Copyright stuff. Every security setting can be turned off from what I've seen, and when it is Vista acts pretty much the same as XP.
Furthermore, much of the copyright stuff is embedded in the software so blaming it only on the OS is unfair.
Heres the way I see it: Apple is gaining market share on Microsoft, so Microsoft released an OS that attempts to be more "pretty" with all those little gadgets and the like that Mac OS's have. Queue the higher system requirements. At the same time as this is Microsoft attempting to become a global standard for computing, but how could a company implement a global standard unless it had powerful companies backing it and willing to use it. This could somewhat explain the strong copyright infringement policy that Vista has taken.
I'm not trying to sit here and tell you that Vista is the best OS out there, but its certainly not the worst. It takes a bit of configuring and getting used to, and many people would rather stick to the old rather than the headache of dealing with the new. But if you get a new computer with Vista already installed, barring the fact that it runs slow due to a bad computer (and in all reality who is going to buy a brand new computer these days that can't run Vista. I mean it does have "high sys reqs" but these are high for freakin 2003), rather than simply ordering a copy of XP online or switching to another OS you could simply take the time to learn how to make Vista do what you want. Its not easy, but neither is shelling out the extra cash to buy a copy of XP.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: MeatyVitamin]
#7801341 - 12/26/07 04:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> I haven't experienced any such problems with my computer preventing me from running things due to the DMCA/Copyright stuff.
Try to listen to a DVD through a digital audio port.
> Furthermore, much of the copyright stuff is embedded in the software so blaming it only on the OS is unfair.
Not in this case. Vista cripples the hardware to prevent potential copyright violations. It disables digital outputs, it downgrades video in many cases, etc.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7802778 - 12/27/07 02:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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regardless of all this vista crap, I really hate those apple commercials where the pc guy is trying to market windows and the 'chill' apple guy is baffled by his marketing strategies.
Apple will always be crap because not enough programs are compatible with it, and it only has one mouse button. Id take xp or vista over an apple anyday. And even though the commercials try to make microsoft look desperate, in actuality it shows me how desperate apple is to try and steal microsoft customers by putting those commercials out there.
For shame, apple sucks!
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: ManianFH]
#7802870 - 12/27/07 03:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> Apple will always be crap because not enough programs are compatible with it,
Wrong. With vmware/parallels installed on an Intel based Apple, it can run anything and everything windows can and more. I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7803265 - 12/27/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a love/hate relationship with Apple. I really respect the quality of their stuff but I don't like how over-priced their shit is and how elitist and hipster-ish they try to look.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7803326 - 12/27/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> I have a love/hate relationship with Apple. I really respect the quality of their stuff but I don't like how over-priced their shit is
I agree completely. Great OS, horrid prices on hardware... and the "loyal" Apple yoyos are a bit annoying as well.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7803953 - 12/27/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seuss said: "loyal" Apple yoyos are a bit annoying as well.
iTards, LOL
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: Seuss]
#7804742 - 12/27/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seuss said: > Apple will always be crap because not enough programs are compatible with it,
Wrong. With vmware/parallels installed on an Intel based Apple, it can run anything and everything windows can and more. I would have agreed with you a few years ago, but times have changed.
I thought this too, but there are still some programs that will not install correctly even in parallels due to issues with the CD rom being recognized only as a mac CD rom.
Also, macs arent geared for heavy gaming
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: ManianFH]
#7808280 - 12/28/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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99% of people would never suggest a Mac for gaming... unless you are playing like pitfall or something old like that.
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Re: Windows Vistuhhh I'd like XP back, plz [Re: ManianFH]
#7809644 - 12/29/07 02:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> Also, macs arent geared for heavy gaming
Either are most PCs. (... and to be fair, the high end macs, from a hardware standpoint are better than most gaming PCs, but would cost an arm and most of a leg compared to a good gaming PC.)
I didn't know that about the parallels/CD issue. I'm not certain why it would matter what the CD drive shows up as, but I trust that you know what you speak of.
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