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Re: Love [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7749571 - 12/12/07 02:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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You hear that ego death? You have to work on yourself. The answer is to get better. What you need to do is solve your problem. There is something about you women don't like, and you have to change it

Perhaps you could be a little more vague?




No one here knows the guy personally, so it's impossible to give him perfect feedback. The problem does lay with him though.

If you are a confident, affectionate, and sociable person, the number of people you can have a relationship is quite broad.

Ego Death did make another thread about his social anxiety; this is most likely his problem. I didn't state it because I'm not there with him to really know. If someone has a difficult time opening up to others and is generally uncomfortable and panicky around them. The relationship will suffer.


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Re: Love [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7749720 - 12/12/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Let's try not to turn this discussion into a men-women issues because it's not the case.
Low self esteem is NOT an aspect of intelligence.
I happen to know a few people (both men and women) who are introvert. I myself am introvert. I think that there's a misunderstanding regarding what this means.
Being introvert is when an individual prefers to spend more time alone (with their thoughts, preoccupations and interests) than with a bunch of people. They are more introspective and what might be confused with shyness is in fact a misinterpretation of their actions.
For example, when I find myself in situations where I am surrounded by lots of people with who I don't really relate to, I have an uneasy feeling. I feel and act somewhat separated from the rest, and someone from the outside can interpret this as a lack of self esteem. When someone from that group tries to have a conversation with me I don't behave as enthused as the rest and try to make that conversation as short as possible. This is not because I feel shy, also it is not because I have something against those people. It is just that in that particular moment I feel like being just me with my own thoughts.
Now, getting back to having a low self esteem, this is a psychological trait. It is generated of one's own inability to communicate with those around them, even if this is what they really want. They can't do that because they are in a constant state of thinking about their flaws and what others might see wrong with them. It's hard to start talking and open up when your mind in your mind, questions like "how he/she will interpret what I'm about to say?"; "does this make me look fat?", "maybe they are making fun of me" keep popping up all the time. In a situation like that, their minds become overly busy with inhibiting those insecurities, which in extent makes them totally unable to interact in a efficient manner with other people.
Low self esteem is a form of paranoia.
And paranoia occurs in moments in which an individual is unable to use reason and get themselves out of that clouded mind sensation. Instead of facing and analyzing their fears, they prefer to ignore them. And as long as one doesn't do all that, of course that one is incapable of finding the roots of their problems and fix what's wrong.
Now, if you ask me, this is not what I would call intelligence. :shrug:

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You hear that ego death? You have to work on yourself. The answer is to get better. What you need to do is solve your problem. There is something about you women don't like, and you have to change it

Perhaps you could be a little more vague?




Of course he has to work on himself.
All of us have to do that.
Thinking that whatever problem (such as loneliness, frustration, sadness, apathy and the like) is being inflicted (by somewhere outside of ourselves) to us is deluded and a form of escapism.
We feel lonely because we can't feel good about who we are, and then we look for answers in other people. We need others to occupy our time and thoughts because we want to escape that inner dialogue that takes place in our mind when we're alone.
Every person that makes us feel the least discomfort is merely a reflection of our issues, and if we're wise enough to get over ourselves, we can use all that as a pointer towards what we  need to work with ourselves. :thumbup:


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Re: Love [Re: Ego Death]
    #7749820 - 12/12/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Mushroom trip - Can you actually make a post explaining what you mean? Or do you just make short and apparently condescending statements?




I just did. I just saw this edit.

And BTW, tranquil. THIS attitude only proves my previous post.


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Re: Love [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7749833 - 12/12/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Love [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7749844 - 12/12/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Love [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7749893 - 12/12/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't say low self esteem is an aspect of intelligence. Nor did I say introverts necessarily have low self-esteem. I believe it is common for people who identify with their intelligence as their primary strength to suffer socially. A child prodigy is used to being told he's right his whole life, which makes it more difficult to overcome self-limiting beliefs than it would be for somebody who is used to being corrected.

When we're discussing attraction between men and women, I don't think we can avoid generalizing about the sexes. Difficulties men face in trying to attract women are not the same difficulties women face in trying to attract men. The sexes tend to value different qualities in prospective mates, and these differences create different problems for men than they do for women. That's where I'm coming from here.

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Low self esteem is a form of paranoia.
And paranoia occurs in moments in which an individual is unable to use reason and get themselves out of that clouded mind sensation. Instead of facing and analyzing their fears, they prefer to ignore them. And as long as one doesn't do all that, of course that one is incapable of finding the roots of their problems and fix what's wrong.
Now, if you ask me, this is not what I would call intelligence.




I agree that low self esteem is a form of paranoia.

I do not agree with you implication that paranoia or other irrational thinking is unintelligent. Some of the most brilliant minds have been unbalanced and self-destructive. Studies have shown highly intelligent people have higher rates of neuroses, phobia and more serious mental illnesses. The inability (or unwillingness) to face fears is an emotional issue that has nothing to do with the amount of analysis applied to a mental hangup, or the neural horsepower that person has at their disposal.

Solving the problems of social anxiety and self esteem comes not from intelligence, but from wisdom, experience and knowledge of how one's own mind operates, qualities that are independent of intelligence.


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Re: Love [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7749936 - 12/12/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Difficulties men face in trying to attract women are not the same difficulties women face in trying to attract men.




Theres no doubt this is true.

Men have the testosterone, we are the chasers. In most situations I see there will be 3+ men all attempting to 'woo' one female. All the female has to do is take their pick. This only happens for men in the situation where women out number the men. I've never seen a social situation where women outnumber men. Also the women all seem to flock towards one man in particular and will compete only for that one man.


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Re: Love [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7749947 - 12/12/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Experience and knowledge of how one's own mind operates IS intelligence.

http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/The%20Nine%20Types%20of%20Intelligence.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Multiple_intelligences

A resume from the first link (I'll give the definition only for those who relate to what we call wisdom):

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1. Naturalist Intelligence (“Nature Smart”)

2. Musical Intelligence (“Musical Smart”)

3. Logical-Mathematical Intelligence (Number/Reasoning Smart)

4. Existential Intelligence
Sensitivity and capacity to tackle deep questions about human existence, such as the meaning of life, why do we die, and how did we get here.

5. Interpersonal Intelligence (People Smart”)
Interpersonal intelligence is the ability to understand and interact effectively with others. It involves effective verbal and nonverbal communication, the ability to note distinctions among others, sensitivity to the moods and temperaments of others, and the ability to entertain multiple perspectives. Teachers, social workers, actors, and politicians all exhibit interpersonal intelligence. Young adults with this kind of intelligence are leaders among their peers, are good at communicating, and seem to understand others’ feelings and motives.

6. Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence (“Body Smart”)

7. Linguistic Intelligence (Word Smart)

8. Intra-personal Intelligence (Self Smart”)
Intra-personal intelligence is the capacity to understand oneself and one’s thoughts and feelings, and to use such knowledge in planning and directioning one’s life. Intra-personal intelligence involves not only an appreciation of the self, but also of the human condition. It is evident in psychologist, spiritual leaders, and philosophers. These young adults may be shy. They are very aware of their own feelings and are self-motivated.

9. Spatial Intelligence (“Picture Smart”)




Also, it is true that both sexes might have, in some cases, different expectations from the opposite sex, it doesn't mean that I as a girl can't give an equally (or even more) valid advice to a male on how to make himself liked by girls.


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Re: Love [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7749952 - 12/12/07 03:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No doubt there are intelligent women, like you, out there but also no doubt that your number in terms of mass populous is limited. I'd expect to find intelligent women here on the shroomery just by the very fact you have an interest in the mind.

Heres holding out for an intelligent lady.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying I'm the clever bunny. I'm just saying I'm a man - my primary thoughts are logic and rational not emotion.


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Re: Love [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7749970 - 12/12/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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If you're relationships are ending so quickly, you probably need to work on yourself some. There is something about you that others are being turned away by.




Yes, I accepted that. The very making of this thread proves I'm seeking to change myself.

I'm confused as to what I need to change though.

Yes, I have anxiety issues. Issues that over the past few years I have resolved 10 fold. I didn't even used to leave my house, let alone talk to a female.

Its possible that they are picking up on me masking my anxiety. On the surface however I appear to be a confident outgoing person.

How can I be myself, someone with no confidence yet be confident (as suggested) to be attractive?


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Re: Love [Re: Ego Death]
    #7749988 - 12/12/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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How can I be myself, someone with no confidence yet be confident (as suggested) to be attractive?




Face your anxieties instead of masking them. :thumbup:


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Re: Love [Re: Ego Death]
    #7749989 - 12/12/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What doesn't help is that none of the wpmen I'm with will speak with me. They won't tell me why they don't want to be with me. They won't even tell me they don't want to be with me. They just ignore me as if trying to not hurt my feelings - I'd rather be hurt though and told what I need to change!

Sometimes I just think that it must be my looks but yet I thought women were more into personality than looks. Besides that I used to get all the women after me in high school. Dunno what went wrong.


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Re: Love [Re: Ego Death]
    #7749998 - 12/12/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What doesn't help is that none of the wpmen I'm with will speak with me. They won't tell me why they don't want to be with me. They won't even tell me they don't want to be with me. They just ignore me as if trying to not hurt my feelings - I'd rather be hurt though and told what I need to change!




The reason why don't tell you what's wrong with you means that maybe they are aware that it's none of their business to change you. :shrug:


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Re: Love [Re: Ego Death]
    #7750016 - 12/12/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I do not agree with you implication that paranoia or other irrational thinking is unintelligent. Some of the most brilliant minds have been unbalanced and self-destructive. Studies have shown highly intelligent people have higher rates of neuroses, phobia and more serious mental illnesses. The inability (or unwillingness) to face fears is an emotional issue that has nothing to do with the amount of analysis applied to a mental hangup, or the neural horsepower that person has at their disposal.





Just because intelligent people often suffer from mental illness does not justify it in any way, shape, or form. Intelligent people are more prone to mental illness because they are more perceptive and place greater emphasis on detail.

Ego Death,

I wish you the best of luck mate. It's been in my experience, that if you can come to love yourself, others will too.

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Re: Love [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7750025 - 12/12/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

With other words, if you don't come to love yourself, you'll most likely cum to love yourself. :hehehe:
Entirely off topic, I know :smirk:


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Re: Love [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7751177 - 12/12/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Just because intelligent people often suffer from mental illness does not justify it in any way, shape, or form. Intelligent people are more prone to mental illness because they are more perceptive and place greater emphasis on detail.




Who's trying to justify mental illness?  I don't even know what that means :confused:

I was rebutting the assertion that neurotic behavior is a sign of low intelligence.

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I wish you the best of luck mate. It's been in my experience, that if you can come to love yourself, others will too.




^^^Aye, this is the bottom line.

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