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Anonymous #1
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suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die...
#7736406 - 12/09/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think that it would be selfish for me to kill myself........The thing is....it's also selfish for other people to want you to stay alive so they don't have to go through any pain.
So i don't see how people can say "oh suicide is so selfish" because it's just as selfish to want someone to stay alive through their pain just to keep them happy.
I'm not going to kill myself, not anytime soon anyway, i was just thinking about that.
What do you think?
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#7736432 - 12/09/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what. Life is selfish. What's the big deal?
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BrAiN
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: MOTH]
#7736444 - 12/09/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not killing yourself, you go through pain no doubt. Life *IS* pain. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.
Killing yourself causes pain for DOZENS of people.. not just one.
Not only that but hell.. life is a rollercoast; for every shitty, depressing period in your life there are good ones. Think of the bad, shitty times as investing in the good times you'll have in the future. Just gotta be patient.
The old you are and the more you know what you want, the less you let shit bother you.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#7736576 - 12/09/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have a point. Camus, the existentialist, thought that the most important philosophical question was whether or not to commit suicide, and that until you answered it you couldn't answer anything else. Is life worth living? If you conclude that it isn't, that's your choice to make. It may or may not be selfish, but I think it is probably cowardly. The way I see it, the best reason to choose life is that we know we can opt out at any time. That makes living a free choice, and an adventure.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#7736589 - 12/09/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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suicide is selfish b/c its the easy way out. everyone encounters pain and suffering in their lives. you owe it to yourself and everyone you care about to try and solve problems yourself or to seek out the help of your friends and/or professionals.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: MrBump]
#7738745 - 12/09/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it was the easy way out EVERYONE would be doing it.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#7738808 - 12/09/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anonymous said: i think that it would be selfish for me to kill myself........The thing is....it's also selfish for other people to want you to stay alive so they don't have to go through any pain.
So i don't see how people can say "oh suicide is so selfish" because it's just as selfish to want someone to stay alive through their pain just to keep them happy.
I'm not going to kill myself, not anytime soon anyway, i was just thinking about that.
What do you think?
Selfish would be me asking for your tv before you offed yourself.
Valuing human life should never be denigrated in any way. The people of this world are soooooo materialistic and empty. I guess it's fair to question someone who just, going through the motions or playing a part in some weird consensus reality scene gives you cliched sentiment when you selfishly cry at them you want to kill yourself. But, for fuck's sake, VALUE life and existence plz.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#7738902 - 12/10/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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MushmanTheManic said: If it was the easy way out EVERYONE would be doing it.
yeah, well... you cut your best friend down from a noose in the attic. and then have a fight in small claims w/ the landlord b/c he was also freaked out by the situation and felt that entitled him the whole security deposit. a fight, which, thank god, we won.
his poor mother, who has to pay back his student loans. at least $40k in student loans. it hurts a lot of fuckin people. I love him but i feel that he owed me and and all his friends a lot more. i am still angry w/ him. he let down a lot of people. he was better than that.
like i said. we all feel pain and suffering. he had opportunities to help himself and chose to not.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#7739454 - 12/10/07 06:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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MushmanTheManic said: If it was the easy way out EVERYONE would be doing it.
It's the easy way out for people who have little fear of what's after life
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: BrAiN]
#7739489 - 12/10/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your mind is asking a question that doesnt have an answere tha follows the question.
You ask if suicide is selfish or not? But the reality of selfishness, is that it doesnt exist.
The word selfish is a word used to describe people's character, through their actions and intentions.
So in order for me to believe that this word is real, then you have to show me that any decision being made by a person, is a decision that they do not conclude would be the best decision to make.
I believe this is impossible tho...People always try to come up with decisions with the intention...that they hope to come to the best decision.
This is all a selfish person to me is doing...but it is also all that a charitable person is doing...the words used to descrbe make no dif.
Were all in this together.
There is room to acknoledge that we all move in one way.
When we see the humanity in, who we now see as the most evilest persons, then we will begin to see it in all, at one and so at once.
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
Edited by JoseLibrado (12/10/07 07:19 AM)
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7739498 - 12/10/07 07:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think suicide really boils down to just HOPE. In most cases people are young and don't have it and they need to be reassured that life gets better. As far as depression caused by physical pain and other things that are uncontrollable, I can't say... but just regular ol' emotional depression... I've been there a long time ago. I've had social anxiety. I've hated everyone around me and I felt like I was alone in a world that I didn't give a fuck about. I have pectus excavatum, I moved from what I thought was a paradise to a shitty area when I was 11 and had to adjust to having tons of friends to everyone picking on me for years. I had trouble at home, etc, etc.
Things will get better if you hold on. It sounce cliche to tell this to people that are contemplating suicide but in all honestly it IS true most of the time. If you think you're life is bad enough to want to kill yourself, if you're gamblin' man and think about the odds.. things will probably get better if you're patient enough. As years go by, one of them is bound to be good enough for you to see the light.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#10697066 - 07/17/09 10:21 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: i think that it would be selfish for me to kill myself........The thing is....it's also selfish for other people to want you to stay alive so they don't have to go through any pain.
So i don't see how people can say "oh suicide is so selfish" because it's just as selfish to want someone to stay alive through their pain just to keep them happy.
I'm not going to kill myself, not anytime soon anyway, i was just thinking about that.
What do you think?
Telling you it's selfish is a way of shaming you into staying alive until it's more convenient to them for you to die because everybody dies. If that were the case then getting in a car and risking your life driving to the store to buy fucking milk is selfish. You COULD get killed in a car wreck! It's selfish to get out of bed in the morning because you could die of a heart attack any minute. It's a damned circle argument based on fake religious bullshit beliefs that you'll magically go to hell or heaven and golly, we don't want you to die before you give your money to our nice church down the street! How selfish!
-------------------- "Eat a big plate of jambalaya, head off to the can, and meditate on this, "defecating is more productive than praying." [Todd Adamson]
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: MrBump]
#10702683 - 07/19/09 06:13 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrBump said: suicide is selfish b/c its the easy way out. everyone encounters pain and suffering in their lives. you owe it to yourself and everyone you care about to try and solve problems yourself or to seek out the help of your friends and/or professionals.
Obviously you've never tried to commit suicide. It's far from "easy"
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: jc_smith]
#10710495 - 07/20/09 04:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Reincarnation is real. Work out your karma in this life while you still have a conscious memory of what it is you need to do to attain peace. My goal is to end samsara and I have been suicidal in the past so I know what you are going through. This life can be seen as tough but if you have an optimistic perspective on life, those things manifest and your life improves. However, if you are always dwelling on the negative and 'crying over spilled milk,' you will never be happy. Our thoughts, words, and belief structures are all very powerful in how they shape our realities.
This physical world is not our true form. We are all spiritual beings having a physical experience to learn our karmic lessons and spiritually evolve.
-------------------- "The moon reflects sunlight like humans reflect information. We wax and wane and when we become full moons, our egos are full. We think we have this knowledge when in fact, the information we have is pure. And how it reflects or shines off of us, is something we take credit for as though the moon could take credit for its brightness when, in fact, it is only reflecting light from the sun. We have to understand that we are ego-less just as the moon is without light. It and we are simply reflectors. The ego is not responsible for the information. It can reflect the information in creative ways, but the information itself is pure." -Maynard James Keenan ALLisONE
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: jc_smith]
#13849233 - 01/25/11 05:17 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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I used to absolutely LOVE life. Then, my husband died and left me in financial ruin. I'm drowning in bills and soon will lose my house and end up homeless. I have no family to help me. I would rather be dead than homeless. When people tell me it is selfish and wanting to end my life is mental illness, it is because they have no idea what they are talking about. They are not in my shoes, and I am far from selfish. All I did is give, give, give my whole life. I did not cause this mess, it was dumped in my lap, and there is no way out of it but death. I was a kind, loving, hardworking person who took care of my husband through a long, gruelling illness. His adult son received so much money upon my husband's death, that I was left not only exhausted, but also in financial ruin. As I said, I LOVED life, but I'd rather be dead than homeless. Judgmental "know it alls" who tell me there is "always hope" are not in my shoes and are just reciting cliches. If what was done to me was done to them, they'd want to leave this world too. I'm furious that someone else destroyed my future like this. I did not deserve to have my life totally ruined.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: natureisnurture]
#13849293 - 01/25/11 05:27 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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No, suicide is NOT the easy way out. It is one of the saddest, most difficult decisions a person could ever have to make. Sometimes people get caught in horrible circumstances beyond there control with no way out but death. I know, it happened to me. Someone else died and left my life in financial ruin, totally destroying my future. I DID NOT DESERVE TO HAVE MY LIFE DESTROYED. Believe me, I would much rather live. I loved life, and would give anything to be able to go back to the way it was before I was thrown into a financial armegeddon.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: jc_smith]
#13849313 - 01/25/11 05:31 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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I totally agree with the above comments. Judgemental, clueless people only want us to stay alive when our lives are in a shambles because THEY are selfish. And I do not believe God is going to punish someone who was in so much pain they could not live anymore. They have already suffered enough.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: JoseLibrado]
#13849326 - 01/25/11 05:33 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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IT IS DEFINITELY NOT THE EASY WAY OUT.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#13850075 - 01/25/11 07:46 PM (13 years, 6 days ago) |
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When I first saw this, I was half unsure as to whether I made the original post myself a long time ago and it was just bumped so yes, I agree with your statement in that it's just as, if not more selfish to ask someone to continue living for their convenience. Even though I believe this though, I still wouldn't be able to put someone through the pain of having to grieve me or at least not one person in particular, everyone else I don't care about (I'm not sure why).
I also think there are a few levels of contemplating suicide (the downside of not existing) and being able to actually contemplate what it would be like, short of actually attempting it is a lot more difficult than it appears.
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Re: suicide is selfish but it's also selfish of other people for them to not want you to die... [Re: Anonymous #3]
#13860015 - 01/27/11 01:26 PM (13 years, 4 days ago) |
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suicide is for the weak
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