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What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high...
    #7736303 - 12/09/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But it is in fact your subconscious mind playing along with your mind-created reality? Discuss


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736305 - 12/09/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, the drugs are getting you high.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7736315 - 12/09/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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No, the drugs are getting you high.




Prove it


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736316 - 12/09/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I just did.:crankey:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7736323 - 12/09/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Easy proof: You give someone a glass of kool-aid and are like, "Here you go man! Some delicious grape kool-aid!" They go, "Thanks man! How refreshing!"

However, you neglect to mention its just oozing with LSD. Shortly thereafter, the guy who thought he just drank kool-aid is all electrified.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7736324 - 12/09/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I just did.:crankey:




No you didn't


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: circularvortex]
    #7736328 - 12/09/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Easy proof: You give someone a glass of kool-aid and are like, "Here you go man! Some delicious grape kool-aid!" They go, "Thanks man! How refreshing!"

However, you neglect to mention its just oozing with LSD. Shortly thereafter, the guy who thought he just drank kool-aid is all electrified.




Maybe Kool-aid made him trip in the past


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736329 - 12/09/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I did.:crankey:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7736331 - 12/09/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes I did.:crankey:




nope:crazy2:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736338 - 12/09/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, let's assume you did that previous scenario to some jungle native who's never even heard of LSD. He will still have a heavy ass LSD trip.


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Under closer inspection I realised it was a funky ball of tits from outer space.



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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: circularvortex]
    #7736349 - 12/09/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok, let's assume you did that previous scenario to some jungle native who's never even heard of LSD.  He will still have a heavy ass LSD trip.




He might have heard of Kool-aid though and it's magical properties..:crazy2:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736366 - 12/09/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Girl is secretly given a roofie.

Girl is subsequently raped.

Are you honestly saying that her mind subconsciously knew she was being drugged, and chose to go with it -- chose to get raped?

Interesting idea man, but it's about time you concede defeat!


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736371 - 12/09/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ok if someone is sleeping and you drop lsd crystals into their mouth then an hour later wake them up they will be tripping.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: astronaut]
    #7736373 - 12/09/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Girl is secretly given a roofie.

Girl is subsequently raped.

Are you honestly saying that her mind subconsciously knew she was being drugged, and chose to go with it -- chose to get raped?

Interesting idea man, but it's about time you concede defeat!




I don't actually believe my idea but it's just fun to ponder I guess:thumbup:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736380 - 12/09/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No its not.:crankey:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736382 - 12/09/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

maybe arguing it from a neuroscience standpoint like..

the chemical binds with the receiver site and mimics a normal function and blocks re-uptake of chemical x, which has x effects..

pretty much you can argue that there is a physical effect of drugs that you cant attain with 'grape kool aid' or a placebo..

with a placebo you might be able to put yourself into that state of mind, but with drugs you cant get out of that state of mind until the drug wears off or less pleasant methods.. i.e. charcoal/stomach pumping/thorazine/etc..

i'm not 100% on the actual chemical stuff that goes on in the brain since i only took intro psychology, but there is a physical reaction in the brain that causes effects.. that's my argument.

and i'm guessing that turntable just took some drugs that's how he proved that they work :P


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736384 - 12/09/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

please tell me you didn't have the intentions on seriously discussing this. There's no way anyone, ever, could have thought this would be a great debate.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736394 - 12/09/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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But it is in fact your subconscious mind playing along with your mind-created reality?  Discuss




Well, when you use a psychoactive substance, it is indeed the substance that "gets you high". There is of course the placebo effect, but it rather relates to achieving desired effects when ingesting inert substances.

Your subconscious can have a strong effect on HOW the drug affects you though. And you can also get "high" without the assistance of any external drugs whatsoever.

I find the question of subconscious mind and it's relation to psychoactive substances interesting in another context though. It's about the how your subconscious replicates drug experiences in your dreams. And how the drugs affect you in your dreams before you have actually experienced them in your waking life, and after you have tried them. If you ever do drugs in your dreams that is, which indicates something in itself :wink:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736517 - 12/09/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you switch your diabetic granny's syringe with one with 5mg heroin in it, she will say it's the best fuckin' insulin she ever had though.
So sorry, drugs make you high.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7736532 - 12/09/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The drugs are just a catalyst for what the brain is capable of.

You can feel as good as any drug with belief and mind control.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7737316 - 12/09/07 04:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe Kool-aid made him trip in the past




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He might have heard of Kool-aid though and it's magical properties..:crazy2:




Well if you are allowed to add a premise each time someone offers an explanation, then everything becomes unprovable.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7737340 - 12/09/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:topicsucks:  :needdrugs:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: Ego Death]
    #7737542 - 12/09/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The drugs are just a catalyst for what the brain is capable of.

You can feel as good as any drug with belief and mind control.




Exactly correct, imo. Once you've taken mushrooms, your brain knows what to do and you don't need to take it again to reproduce the effects. The patterns have already been established in the mind. I would argue that it's NOT the drug that gets you high. It's your brain that does it, the substance used to provoke it is just the tool assisting you. And like any tool, it's just a tool. The tool eventually holds you back from full development.

Richard Bandler discusses this plenty. If you are interested in this kind of study of the mind, go explore some neuro linguistic programming (NLP).

But just because in the past your mind hasn't been powerful enough to pull off such a feat without the assistance of drugs doesn't mean you're not capable of it.

A very interesting topic. If you don't get it, let the people who do discuss it or ask questions. Just don't let your small-mindedness prevent others from pondering it.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7738775 - 12/09/07 11:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Girl is secretly given a roofie.

Girl is subsequently raped.

Are you honestly saying that her mind subconsciously knew she was being drugged, and chose to go with it -- chose to get raped?

Interesting idea man, but it's about time you concede defeat!




I don't actually believe my idea but it's just fun to ponder I guess:thumbup:




Perhapse the chemical itself has a soul, that interacts in some metaphysical way, with your own soul?  ....:) :royalrainbow:


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: HappyTripping]
    #7739273 - 12/10/07 05:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I remember one experiment where they get people drunk off of non-alcoholic wine just by telling them that it is alcoholic.

What people call 'placebo effect' I've realized goes so much deeper than we generally imagine.

I find it difficult to explain in words but essentially we are capable of making ourselves or others experience anything. Any thought, any emotion, any vision, any sound, any feeling. Simply put its a case of association and belief.

You only have to look at dreams if you want proof that you yourself can create an entirely believable new realm of experience and feed it back to yourself.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: Ego Death]
    #7739657 - 12/10/07 08:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The things I'd have to forget before I could even start to believe I was tripping simply by believing it, would make me a much bigger dumbass than pretending to be tripping on acid.


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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7757438 - 12/14/07 07:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: What if it isn't actually the drugs that get you high... [Re: ivi]
    #7757670 - 12/14/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Grape Kool Aid, and only Grape Kool aid is actually very psychoactive, it contains a precursor to a substance called farkerdine but you have to add about a 1/1 ratio of baking soda and grape Kool aid powder, and 1 and a half ounces of ph 2 water per ounce of powder. you let that sit for about 2 weeks in a baby food jar for example, shaking up about 4 times a day. Then you add about 30 ml of acetone per ounce by weight of your solution to extract the sugar. do this three times and then extract the farkerdine with naptha. then you freebase it like you would DMT. no need to even recrystalize. amazing trip man!

I know not many people will perform this though due to the astronomical price of kool aid.


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