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Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage
    #7736288 - 12/09/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Spent the last 10 minutes or so searching the posts on long-term storage, but didn't quite find the answer I'm looking for. My friend is wanting to store a good amount of fan dried mushrooms in a quart-sized Ball masonry jar, however he will not be able to grind them to a powder so he will have to stuff as many in as possible before capping the lid, then wrapping in plastic wrap and finally tinfoil. This will surely leave some air left in the jar.

My question is whether or not that bit of air left in the masonry jar will cause problems later on. Planned length of storage is between 6 months to 1 year. Once stuffed with the fan dried mushrooms, would placing masonry jar in the freezer rather than at room temp increase storage duration?

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nickster_154371]
    #7736306 - 12/09/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes freezer works well if your mushrooms are FULLY dried... give them a really good drying. If you like the taste of honey, cut the dried fruits into cubes or chunks and let them sit in a jar completely covered with honey. makes a blue blueberry jam looking trip-sauce. YUM.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7736335 - 12/09/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

add into the jar a couple of bags of dissecant and a couple of those oxigen eaters you get inside jerky.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nibin]
    #7737150 - 12/09/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that or make CO2 via baking soda and vinegar and fill your jars with CO2. that will eliminate oxygen and oxidation in general. just put baking soda and vinegar into a bottle and let it react. the resulting gases inside the bottle will be CO2 and you can just pour the invisible gas into the jar like you would be pouring anything else out of a bottle. to test if you have CO2 in the bottle just light a match and slowly lower it into the jar (fire needs oxygen to stay lit), if the match goes out you know the jar is filled with CO2.

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nibin]
    #7737419 - 12/09/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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add into the jar a couple of bags of dissecant and a couple of those oxigen eaters you get inside jerky.




That's what I was thinking. A pack of desiccant in the jar should make sure things are fine if they're dry already.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Jadian]
    #7737454 - 12/09/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don't EVER freeze your mushies, it doesn't matter how dry they are!!!!

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: bryanbzl]
    #7737599 - 12/09/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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that or make CO2 via baking soda and vinegar and fill your jars with CO2. that will eliminate oxygen and oxidation in general. just put baking soda and vinegar into a bottle and let it react. the resulting gases inside the bottle will be CO2 and you can just pour the invisible gas into the jar like you would be pouring anything else out of a bottle. to test if you have CO2 in the bottle just light a match and slowly lower it into the jar (fire needs oxygen to stay lit), if the match goes out you know the jar is filled with CO2.

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There it is. To answer your question, you kind of have to understand the mechanics of decomposition. Long story short, decay uses oxygen and creates CO2. Flood your storage container with CO2 and don't give decomposition/bacteria/mold any chance. It's heavier than O2 so you could "pour" the gas into your bin as long as you have a still air environment, which you do (glove box). Good luck!


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #7737624 - 12/09/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't EVER freeze your mushies, it doesn't matter how dry they are!!!!

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My friend had them in freezer for a few hours, but just took them out based on your comment. Can anyone else verify that it is better to keep them @ room temp rather than in the freezer.

Couldn't track down any desiccant bags so the fan dried mushrooms were stuffed into a pint masonry jar wraped in suran wrap w/ a rubber band aroudn the rim, and tinfoil. They are now sitting in the closet.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nickster_154371]
    #7737775 - 12/09/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

like the above posters said, that isn't a good idea they will decompose in that amount of time that you want to store them, get desiccant from a motrin bottle or something and put that in the jar along with the mushies.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: ewikk055]
    #7737905 - 12/09/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If storing long tern your going to want to use some kind of Desiccant after you air dry. if you just air dry there will still be moisture in the mushy. and then they will mold.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: ComfortablyStond]
    #7738482 - 12/09/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

why shouldnt you put mushrooms in the freezer? ive never heard that..in fact after using the search i found a couple different threads where people claim that it works. as long as they are BONE dry. but i dont know so i am going to try it and post results in a few months. if there is evidence that this is a dumb move someone please tell me before i waste perfectly good mushrooms. thanks.

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7739224 - 12/10/07 04:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if there is mosture left in ur shrooms, u will end up with slush after defrosging.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7739389 - 12/10/07 06:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If they are bone dry and in a perfectly sealed container there will be no problem but one little bit of humidity or air getting in and you will get freezer burn.

Even if you put em in the freezer, add a bag of dissecant (or make it yourself with a coffee filter and some dissecant) and some oxygen gobblers.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nibin]
    #7739476 - 12/10/07 07:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They'll store for many years in vacuum sealed bags without degradation, even at room temperature.
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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7740663 - 12/10/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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They'll store for many years in vacuum sealed bags without degradation, even at room temperature.
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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Craighead]
    #7740756 - 12/10/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

When drying IF you deciede to use bags - use paper correct, I can image plastic would promote spoils of bacteria.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: verminute]
    #7740982 - 12/10/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Friday, three people ate some from a flip top air tite canister that have been in storage for two years. Still just as good as they went in.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Fraggin]
    #7741015 - 12/10/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

How did those three people survive in storage for two years?

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: verminute]
    #7744474 - 12/11/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Where can I find some of those oxygen-eaters/gobblers? Walgreens or Walmart?


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nickster_154371]
    #7744571 - 12/11/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nibin]
    #7744797 - 12/11/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If you goto like walmart in every box of shoes they have atleast one for shipping sometimes more and they are larger then the jerky ones.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7744817 - 12/11/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Is it bad if you eat those, I can never help it, they taste so good.

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: verminute]
    #7744897 - 12/11/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My buddy ended up cutting open a tea bag and filling it with a tablespoon or so of desiccant crystals then throwing it in the jar. Thanks for the tips and comments,

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nickster_154371]
    #7745411 - 12/11/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oxygen eaters and dissecant baggies aren't the same thing.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nibin]
    #7747488 - 12/11/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Vacuum sealed bags sounds like a winner.  But shoe boxes at like Walmart is the easiest way to get those desiccant bags, and they are usually pritty big (and clean).  Just don't get caught trying to explain to someone why you need those... :runaway:


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: BuddhaTree]
    #7747712 - 12/12/07 12:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You can buy both of thoes little baggies on ebay.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: BuddhaTree]
    #7752956 - 12/13/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

= Suitable year or longer storage. No dessicants needed.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Fraggin]
    #7753068 - 12/13/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No desiccants needed if you are absolutely sure you have bone dry fruit. Desiccants are insurance.  Oxygen absorbers are nice if you plan on opening it often.:)  What about the wine preserver spray will that work on shrooms as well?
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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: trout]
    #7753082 - 12/13/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have used what's in the pictures for years. no problems. No dessicants.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Nickster_154371]
    #7753101 - 12/13/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Nickster,

I second RR advice on vacuum packing.

Oxidization, light and heat are enemies of many psychoactive substances.

I dry mine really well, put them in a food saver bag, seal it (sucks all the air out), wrap the food saver bag in a piece of black plastic trash bag, store in the freezer.

No oxygen, no light, no heat.

I have some that have gone 5+ years this way ...... they come out of cold, dry, dark storage and kick your ass !

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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: uncle_rico]
    #7753291 - 12/13/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This seems like a good enough place to ask this question, so here goes. I'm storing my shrooms right now in an acrylic mason jar(the ones with the clasps like the ones pictured further up) with two coffee filters filled with damp rid and tied up so they don't spill powder anywhere. The jars are being kept in my refrigerator's crisper. Before this, I had been using the dessicants found in Aspirin bottles in a jar.

This worked fine for a while, but the latest batch I must not have air-dryed enough because when I looked at them a day after I had dropped them in, they had turned dark blue and felt kinda mushy. I freaked out, and constructed this new drying chamber and put them in. The problem is that some of these shrooms still have parts that feel a little soggy even though the rest is bone dry. There's no noticeable smell and they've been in the container for over a day now. Are these shrooms safe to eat or should I cut out the affected parts?


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Yossarian22]
    #7753573 - 12/13/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

They are probably safe to eat IMO but when it turns that color it usually means that the psilocybin has mostly oxidized, and has become unusable. I would just cut those parts out because most likely they will just be nasty and wont do anything for you. I seriously doubt it will make you sick though. But, if you lost allot and feel like you really want to try it anyways, go for it.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: lostinautumn7]
    #7753904 - 12/13/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I would recommend against eating them. If I read you correctly you used Damp-Rid in the last container. Damp-Rid is different than the silica gel in the aspirin bottles or any of the little packets for that matter. Damp-Rid absorbs the water and becomes a liquid itself it just pulls it away from anything else around it. Once it is liquefied it will then be absorbed into other things such as shrooms if not in a separate container . You do not want to eat Damp-Rid, I don't know what it actually is but I don't think it is safe to ingest. The silica gel packets are what you want to use in storage because they only absorb their capacity and then stop they do not liquefy, I would only use Damp-Rid for drying purposes and then it must be kept separate from the shrooms ie below a screen.
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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: trout]
    #7753938 - 12/13/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

can you buy desiccant bags? other than on line? if not how many would you need to dry an oz of mushies


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: CollegeGuy]
    #7754010 - 12/13/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

For drying use Damp-Rid that you can get at Lowe's or Home Depot in the paint or cleaning isle. Make an airtight container and place the Damp-Rid in a separate container that is not sealed but wont leak/tip over or separate with a screen and the shrooms on top so they do not contact the crystals. You will be best served to air dry them first with a fan blowing over them and then finish them in the drying box. Then store them with a couple of desiccant packets that you find. You can make sure the packets are viable by baking in a low temp oven for a couple of hours.
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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: trout]
    #7754053 - 12/13/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I used the fan and damprid method once and screwed up and bought a dehydrator and never looked back. Best $30 I ever spent. (except that time I bought 4 bottles of boone's farm, and a dime bag and lost my virginity later that night)


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    #7754081 - 12/13/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Dehydrators are great just don't use any heat(low setting). In reality they are just fans with a nice tray arrangement.  A box fan with air filters set over it will work just the same.  Very useful when you find the mother load of morels.;)
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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Fraggin]
    #7754086 - 12/13/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7754150 - 12/13/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Actually, it was in this order :paperbag: :getstoned: :missionary:
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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Fraggin]
    #7754159 - 12/13/07 03:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah I figured that much.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: trout]
    #7755544 - 12/13/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I would recommend against eating them. If I read you correctly you used Damp-Rid in the last container. Damp-Rid is different than the silica gel in the aspirin bottles or any of the little packets for that matter. Damp-Rid absorbs the water and becomes a liquid itself it just pulls it away from anything else around it. Once it is liquefied it will then be absorbed into other things such as shrooms if not in a separate container . You do not want to eat Damp-Rid, I don't know what it actually is but I don't think it is safe to ingest. The silica gel packets are what you want to use in storage because they only absorb their capacity and then stop they do not liquefy, I would only use Damp-Rid for drying purposes and then it must be kept separate from the shrooms ie below a screen.
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I did not know it forms a liquid. I had put them in a sealed sac made out of coffee filter and just left it next to the shrooms. I felt the sac and it was dry, so I don't imagine it caused a problem. The shrooms smelled fine, too. But I made a little cradle out of aluminum foil and put the coffee-filter bags inside so that it's now separated from the shrooms.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: Yossarian22]
    #7755590 - 12/13/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Never thought about the vacuum bags...I'm intrigued.


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Re: Clarification needed on long-term mushroom storage [Re: DigitalNomad]
    #11120353 - 09/24/09 04:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

When you use the vinegar method for c02 storage how do u pour out the c02 without the liquid coming with it into the jar?


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