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WeedyWonka
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Is this forever?
#7736039 - 12/09/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I was having a conversation with my girlfriend the other night and we talked about the drug culture in the US. While discussing it I began wondering if there would ever be a point in my life when I stopped smoking, toking, and shrooming.
I came to the conclusion a while back that I was going to stick to natural substances and since then in my trips I have became more and more confident about my desicion although I can say I am/have been very intrested in LSD (it is almost impossible for me to get anyway. I also want to experiment with mescaline and possibly DMT.
I also came to the conclusion recently that after college(1.5 years left) I would stop using illegal substances because it is illegal and I have many goals in my life and putting my goals in jeopardy aren't worth a few hours of fun.
With that said has anyone else had these thoughts?
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Re: Is this forever? Yes. I believe so. [Re: WeedyWonka]
#7736095 - 12/09/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well for me - this is forever. Psychoactives have opened a path for me that I know is right. I've always thought about who I wanted to be... a biologist? Computer programmer? mafia (yeah, mafia)? But I always knew in my heart that I wanted to be an explorer. At this, I grieved that I wasn't born in the right century. Nothing left to explore - I thought. But then, I found the new continent, the new cosmos.
And now I understand how blessed I am - I am an explorer, the vanguard of humanity - part of the small group of people who traverse the unknown. I get to explore the universe. You see, the terms "illegal substance" doesn't mean anything to me anymore. At best, it either makes me pissed off at the feds or I laugh at it. Who are THEY to say what I can or cannot put into my own body. Who are they to chart my fate in this world? No-one. The idea of society and government is now ridiculous to me (although I realize that without it I'd have no food,clothing, mp3 player, etc etc).
I'm going to college next year and I think I'm majoring in computer science with an emphasis on game design. But that's just something to major in, so my family doesn't badger me. Realistically, I'm thinking I might move out of the states and become a herbalist. I'd love to grow different plants and mushrooms. Caring for them in return for the secrets that they have stored within...
I have goals in my life as well; to traverse the wonderful and frightening unknown - and putting my goals aside for some artificial disgusting social order just isn't worth it.
I'm going all the way. There is no spoon.
Edited by sky (12/09/07 10:53 AM)
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john706
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Re: Is this forever? Yes. I believe so. [Re: sky]
#7736157 - 12/09/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i dont wanna attack you.
but i fucking hate when people say stuff along the lines... " i only smoke weed and do shrooms, cause they're natural."
who the hell cares whether its natural or not.
you think half the food you eat is "natural"
ive offered people free doses of some of the best lsd ive ever had b4, and they turned it down because it isnt natural...
it just seems people do this to make themselves feel better about the fact theyre doing drugs in the first place.
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Re: Is this forever? Yes. I believe so. [Re: john706]
#7736199 - 12/09/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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^Exactly. Natural or synthetic doesn't matter. Hell, you can synthesize 4-HO-DMT. So if you have pure, lab-made 4-HO-DMT, is it natural or synthetic? See? It doesn't matter.
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Re: Is this forever? Yes. I believe so. [Re: john706]
#7736205 - 12/09/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im gonna have to agree with John on this one. What difference does it truly make whether it's natural or not? Either way, you'll have a magical and different experience that is just as natural to your body as any other thing you put into it. If your body can process it, it's natural enough for me, because your body naturally processes it, and those are the natural effects it has on you. It really makes no difference if it's created by a person or by a plant.
As for whether this is forever... From what i know about myself at this point in time (and there's a lot i have to learn) i would have to say that it is forever. I sincerely enjoy exploring my mind and the things it can come up with. I see psychedelics as a tool to broaden my range of knowledge and open my mind possibly for life, whether i stop taking them or not. Because they allow me to think in a way that's sometimes just not possible when you're sober. So yes, this is forever.
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Re: Is this forever? Yes. I believe so. [Re: Dagnus]
#7736223 - 12/09/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, come to think of it, LSD feels a LOT more natural to me than mushrooms. To me, mushrooms feel cluttered and confused and LSD feels clean and pure.
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Re: Is this forever? Yes. I believe so. [Re: Ness1]
#7736247 - 12/09/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hope you did not say that DMT and mescaline aren't natural...
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Re: Is this forever? Yes. I believe so. [Re: learningtofly]
#7736346 - 12/09/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah the whole natural artificial thing is pointless. Whether or not a substance is beneficial/useful has nothing to do with whether or not it's natural. And besides natural and artificial is a blurry distinction. I mean maybe lsd isn't produced in nature but it is derived from natural substances. Ergot. Personally i'll smoke bud, take acid and shrooms throughout my life, not because they're natural or artificial but because i think they're good. if it's only for a short time or however you wanna do it is your business.
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Re: Is this forever? Yes. I believe so. [Re: learningtofly]
#7736439 - 12/09/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
learningtofly said: I hope you did not say that DMT and mescaline aren't natural...

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Re: Is this forever? [Re: WeedyWonka]
#7736680 - 12/09/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Forever, of course...unless I change my mind
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: WeedyWonka]
#7737238 - 12/09/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it really depends on the person. Some people will be satisfied once they have seen it. Some will keep seeing it over and over again. It's kind of like movies. Some people never watch a movie twice. Some people can watch a movie over and over. Depending on how observant you are, you can always find new things and new appreciations in a movie. Same goes for tripping. Some people find it eventually loses it's magic, some don't. I bet it also depends on how often you trip.
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WeedyWonka
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Just to address a lot of the comments.
I never said DMT and mescaline were not natural.
I actually do eat only natural things Ive been eating raw food for a little over a year now and before that I was a vegetarian for two years. Meaning nothing unnatural has been in my body other than medications from when I was sick for 1 year. And for the better part of the 2 years before that processed goods were not in my diet.
I like natural things it's just my style.
If it starts out natural and as long as chemical's haven't been used to enhance it it's still natural.
So what if I dont drop acid more for you guys. I didn't say it was bad or wrong.
People can do whatever the fuck they want to do and hey its you not me so don't crticize others for personal decisions.
People want people to be open minded but it seems that people really just want people to think all alike.
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: WeedyWonka]
#7737267 - 12/09/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The reason it irritates (some) people when someone says they only use natural drugs is that it really doesn't make any logical sense. Methamphetamine, one of the most harmful and neurotoxic drugs, occurs in nature. LSD, one of (if not THE) physically safest drugs, is synthetic.
Edit: The main reason that it irritates ME is that I hate seeing people restricting themselves from what I believe to be one of the most beautiful and wondrous substances known to man. IMO, LSD > mushrooms. No ill will towards people who prefer mushrooms at all, I just hate seeing people write off LSD before even trying it.
-------------------- I know what they'll find, it's in their mind, it's what they want to see. Spare me from the light, here comes the night and here I'll stay, waiting for darkness.
Edited by Ness1 (12/09/07 04:17 PM)
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: WeedyWonka]
#7737358 - 12/09/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think what people are trying to point out is that a chemical reaction is a chemical reaction. So basing you're drug use on whether something is "natural" or not is sort of redundant and illogical.
Eating turkey is not the only way to ingest tryptophan.
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Please, stay on topic guys. Not that I usually care, but this is a debate that happens probably at least once a week. It'd getting old. And I know it's irritating, but whatever.
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WeedyWonka
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: AlCapwn]
#7737402 - 12/09/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I swear this whole board is full of bull shit. I've only been here for a few months and I'm already out.
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Ness1
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: WeedyWonka]
#7737416 - 12/09/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, you basically said that natural substances are the only ones worth doing. People who ingest synthetic substances are bound to take offense to that
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: Ness1]
#7737441 - 12/09/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never once even emplied that natural is better than synthetic, maybe you should reread the posts I had made. I said for me. That last word is key. for ME, it's just MY Style. I was stating how I will be. Then people automatically assume I'm attacking them because I would like for MY life to be different from theirs.
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: Ness1]
#7737583 - 12/09/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ness, he DID say "Although I am interested in LSD, Mescaline and DMT"
That pretty much only restricts shit like Meth and RCs and stuff. It's not like he's not trying all the cool shit anyways, it's just the wording.
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Ness1
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: AlCapwn]
#7737601 - 12/09/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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At any rate, I certainly wasn't trying to force my views on anybody, merely trying to educate. From a purely pharmacological point of view, separating natural chemicals from synthetic chemicals make absolutely no sense. That's all I was trying to get across.
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: AlCapwn]
#7737620 - 12/09/07 06:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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you guys can go fuck yourselves.
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Re: Is this forever? [Re: WeedyWonka]
#7737623 - 12/09/07 06:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm fairly sure that my use is going to slow down at some point, and though it's possible I may stop, i think I'll revisit it every so often. But i would love to do it forever. I don't see any reason not to. I hope it does last forever in fact.
Mushrooms and me have a great relationship. I help them do their thing, and they help me do my thing. LSD is incredible, and i wouldnt trade the experiences I had for anything but my friends.
I would like to say it is forever, and I'm 95% sure that I'll continue my use of psychoactives my whole life, though the frequency of the usage may get a lot lower as I go on.
But if i knew it was forever, that would be just fine for me.
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