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no country for old men - spoiler thread
#7735733 - 12/09/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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So judging by the abrupt ending and the conversation with Tommy Lee's dad, I take it the point of the movie is:
"There ain't no stoppin' what's comin", or that series of events in the movie is just a tiny snapshot of the evil that lies out there so there's nothing really special about eerything that just happened?
My friends I went to see this with last night didn't like it. I did, although I admit the ending was a little let down. At least it was better than some crappy cookie cutter action movie.
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: BrAiN]
#7735740 - 12/09/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I liked it but thought the ending was kind of a let down too. I was hoping for a gruesome ending.. Maybe that woulda been to predictable for the coen brothers?
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: disturbed]
#7735770 - 12/09/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I s'pose. I guess the ending had a point. The friends I went with are more into hollywood style movies so they were pissed at the movie. "SHENANIGANS" they said.
But I didn't care. I think the 2 hours before the ending made up for it.
Then again I like weird stuff. No one else I know comes remotely close to my taste in film. Hence why I always go to see DAVID LYNCH movies alone in the theatre. I don't even bring my fiance' to them. :P
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: BrAiN]
#7735876 - 12/09/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ending did let down abit. But it was better than if tommy lee would have said some terminator line, blew the psycho away, and rolled credits.
I loved it, but everybody else in the theatre was pissed off. The part near the end when tommy lee is talking to his dad, it seemed like they were gonna use the tichular line at any moment. I was just praying that they wouldn't, because it would gay up the movie. Luckily they didn't.
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: Dreamer987]
#7735887 - 12/09/07 09:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder wot happened to the guy after he walked off with his bone hanging out of his arm...
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: Knoa6]
#7735892 - 12/09/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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the best part was when the killer said to the shop owner "o no dont put the coin in your pocket, thats your lucky coin" just that whole scene was great. this movie gets a 8/10 in my book i didnt like the ending ethier but i did like how all the texans talked they seem to all be mildly trippin
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: milkman]
#7735902 - 12/09/07 09:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea i loved that store scene..
and whats the "tichular: line?
years ago i used to fantasize about finding a million dollars in a bag. The first thing i remember thinking i'd do is DITCH THE ORIGINAL BAG!!!
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: BrAiN]
#7735973 - 12/09/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'v heard "titular" used as the title line of a movie, being used in the movie. Like if tommy lee's dad would have said: "this is no countrey for old men"
I just looked it up, and that apparently is not the true definition of the word.
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: Dreamer987]
#7735988 - 12/09/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahh.. yea when the movie started I was listening out for the title of the movie to be rambled by someone.
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: BrAiN]
#7737118 - 12/09/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, as I've said before I liked this movie very much until the ending.
Which I thought was nonsense.
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Re: no country for old men - spoiler thread [Re: BrAiN]
#12784884 - 06/22/10 02:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Without meaning to kick a dead horse as this thread is a little dusty. my two cents on NCFOM
Jules, in Tarentino’s Pulp Fiction, in many ways precedes Anton Chigurh. Both Jules and Chigurh are philosophic narco murderers. Their common habit of tormenting their victims with questions is demonstrated early in both stories.
From NCFOM – (To Gas station Guy who asked Chigurh about the weather up your way) What time do you close? Now. We close now. Now is not a time. What time do you close? Generally around dark. At dark. You don’t know what you’re talking about, do you? Sir? I said you don’t know what you’re talking about do you? I’m talking about closing … What time do you go to bed. Sir? You’re a bit deaf aren’t you? I said what time do you go to bed?
And here’s an eerily similar exchange between Jules and Brett, a hit target given to Jules and Vinny: Jules: What country are you from? Brett: What? Jules: What isn’t no country I ever heard of. They speak English in What? Brett: What? Jules: Say what again! I dare you …
The above NCFOM scene with Gas Station Guy takes its near fatal turn because Chigurh is offended that GSG has “put up” his whole life without a glimmer of awareness of doing so. So he forces GSG to put up his life on a coin toss. Move over to Pulp Fiction, last scene in the diner, and Jules explains what the unwitting Pumpkin has put up and why Jules isn’t going to kill him.
Jules: Wanna know what I'm buyin' Ringo? Pumpkin: What? Jules: Your life. I'm givin' you that money so I don't hafta kill your ass.
Like Chigurh, Jules sees himself as an agent of the cosmos and a child of fate; both try to persuade others of their world view. In another PF scene, Jules and his partner, Vinny, have wiped out a roomful of young folk who ripped off their drug dealing boss. They neglect to cover the bathroom, an error Chigurh would not have made, and another fellow bursts out and empties a full clip at them, all clean misses. Jules is confident that he has witnessed proof that fate rules.
Jules: This was Divine Intervention! You know what "divine intervention" is? Vincent: Yeah, I think so. That means God came down from Heaven and stopped the bullets. Jules: Yeah, man, that's what it means. That's exactly what it means! God came down from Heaven and stopped the bullets Vincent: I think we should be going now Jules: Don't do that! Don't you fucking do that! Don't blow this shit off! What just happened was a fucking miracle! Vincent: Chill the fuck out, Jules, this shit happens. Jules: Wrong! Wrong, this shit doesn't just happen. Vincent: Do you want to continue this theological discussion in the car, or at the jailhouse with the cops?
The novel, perhaps more strongly than the movie, shows Chigurh's ability to dodge flying lead when all about him are collapsing. He is finally hit in the leg by a pellet of buck shot, but in other scenes walks through a hail of bullets, none with his name on them.
When Chigurh is ready to kill someone, situation permitting, he likes to conduct an exit interview with his victim. He uses the opportunity to do a kind of survey (“Of what use was your rule?) or persuade the victim to accept the final decree of fate (It will have more dignity.”)
Jules also sees it as an appropriate moment to formalize his role in the proceedings and to indulge in philosophical speculation, but in the final moment he prefers to send folks off with the Old Testament ringing in their ears --
Jules: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
But at the last, Jules has second thoughts about his role as the agent of fate
Jules: I been sayin' that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before you popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin' made me think twice. Now I'm thinkin': it could mean you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd.
In Chigurh’s final scene, interestingly enough, Chigurh offers his services as a shepherd – of narco money and product. He says to the astonished executive, “[I am] an expert in a difficult field. … someone who is completely reliable and completely honest.” There will be no uncertain ground with Chigurh in charge. No wolves. He will not permit it.
Pulp Fiction was released in 1974, and I think it’s possible that McC could have watched these scenes and, consciously or not, they became part of the creative mix when he created his own “ultimate bad ass.”
I think it’s also possible that the Coen Bothers were influenced by Tarentino’s Pulp Fiction approach when they transferred this villain from the page to film. In print, Chigurh is scarily relentless. On film, he slips over into cartoon territory at times.
And just to give the dead horse another kick, I’d also suggest that the ideas articulated by these bad boys illustrate why the language of fiction should not be mistaken for expository prose or a proxy for the beliefs of the writer.
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