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Amature delusion or plausable scientific finding?
    #7735603 - 12/09/07 06:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This may just be a thought; but being deeply in love with science, something mundane inspired me yesterday. As I was reading and article on the genome of fruit flies it was apparent that certain genetic aberrations are in fact, parasitic codes to both viruses and bacteria (Scientists found bacteria inside the developing fruit fly egg). Assuming that other insects may share this phenomenon, (leaf cutter ants carry a bacteria that fights mold from colonizing their cultures) I would like to know if fungus DNA exhibits any likeness. If some conclusive evidence is observed, is there any way to incorporate a genetic parasite into a Psilocybe cubesin type fungus? Also, if appropriate to ask could this be viewed as an answer to contamination?

Bacteria developing alongside fruit fly:


The common fruit fly:

Leaf cutter ant natural fungus culture and symbiotic bacterial culture in petri dish:


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Re: Amature delusion or plausable scientific finding? [Re: wyldeman007]
    #7735741 - 12/09/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Most organisms exist alongside bacteria. In fact, there's more bacteria cells in our human bodies than there are human cells.
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Re: Amature delusion or plausable scientific finding? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7736588 - 12/09/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

do yo u mean a bacteria to be incorporate in the substrate, i guess mushrooms developed asociation with many bacterias and other mushrooms is like a fight and a holefrinship in some cases.

have you ever read the book of the wife of the death Carl Sagan , i think she´s name is esteve marguilis, sorry i will get the exact name later , but the point that she have a book where she speak of how organisms evolution ate, Trougth association with bacteria, she made made examples as mitochondria and vacuoles in the cell of animals and plants , how a organism to evolutionate and to generate a new specie or speciation , have to create some sort of symbiosis where this organism fuse in long term of the coexistence, and become a second structure in the higher organism example the area in the instentins that is call in spanish apendice, is supost to be a past tread we conserve and in fact is a reservoir of bacteria where many hormones and vitamins sintetize, .
so what i say also is have you ever read about triptimanes , triptamines have the same structures as auxin's and other vegetable hormones so a theory that i read in botanic is that , what are the use for the plant of this compounds what is the function are they really only secondary metabolites or they play a role , well some auxin as you may know produce incredible change in genetic code of cell and produce root in lower part and the conclusion is that triptamines also activate some genes , in the genetic code of plant , the have some hormone function in lesser extend and now the good part is that when you extra polarize this to humans well you have that triptamines actives also certain genes ,
this is no probe science, no ask me where do i read it i see to much thing i don´t remember if you could investigate this is true , please...}
so that the true any one who have try this route will understand how the activation of genes function , so that why they are part of humans evolution, the role of this substance is incredible , and far understood saying is there any way to incorporate a genetic parasite into a Psilocybe cubesin type fungus?
i guess is already been done millions years ago about alien creator, that old science. , how humans developed language mushrooms come to mind , how do their find the answer to replicate DNA with LSD, how old evolution is sustained in this substance , how shaman cures entering the world of the unknown, this is old probe science in some sort of speak . i mean don´t you think that when you foreseen the future you activate certain genes are sleep and you will not activate with million of yoga seasons.. the most probe science that it is is when you enter the mind , internet access for all races..........................
all my best vibration , hope i did not get out of subject.


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Re: Amature delusion or plausable scientific finding? [Re: cactu]
    #7737143 - 12/09/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's an interesting anthropological point of view on the subject Cactu, the thought that Psilocybe Cubesins evolved in some way along side of it's human counterparts is very interesting. I don't know what markers throughout fungus chromosomes would confirm any symbiotic function, but very interesting.

What my ideas focus on are the implementation of genetic material to produce mold/contaminate fighting bacteria not in the substrate, but integrated into the mycological genome. Essentially a bacterial agent existing alongside all stages of fungus development would crush any contamination before it could take hold, in turn producing a highly resilient mycelium ergo a healthier yield.

My question is; can this be done with existing mycological methods.

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Re: Amature delusion or plausable scientific finding? [Re: wyldeman007]
    #7739219 - 12/10/07 04:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think what you're suggesting is still decades away.. I read somewhere that microbiologists are currently still focusing their efforts on developing genetic approaches that will allow them to learn more about the biological mechanisms important for predator-prey interactions, let alone creating something that would attack other bacteria. Predatory prokaryotes maybe?


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Re: Amature delusion or plausable scientific finding? [Re: c0_hush]
    #7739553 - 12/10/07 07:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wild, outdoor mushrooms are often fully infused with hundreds of species of bacteria and other fungi. Even if you try to clone tissue from the center of the fruit, you still get all these other organisms. Since the mushrooms are healthy and the mycelium network lives for years, one has to believe there's at least a tolerance, if not symbiance.
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Re: Amature delusion or plausable scientific finding? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7740472 - 12/10/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Amature delusion or plausable scientific finding? [Re: desufnoC]
    #7741626 - 12/10/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have to disagree about the thought of a great many years must pass before we have the science. Viruses for example; evolve very quickly and may even transpeciate under laboratory conditions. I'll give it a decade and maybe a few years after that. In ten years Biology has exponentially advanced itself. Even if it's not fully understood, is there a possibility that research on the subject would be viewed as beneficial, presently.

The majority can agree that contamination comes from foreign agents, and more importantly acidic conditions. Isn't it safe to say that fruiting cultures yielding a bacterial symbiote during a rise in acidity would at least be competition for contaminants?

Mushrooms are expensive lifeforms, the need to disperse an amazing amount of genetic material to collate a colony of mycelium is evidence of this. I just think that we can do so much for the species to return the favor in some sense.

I don't claim any expertise on the subject but this is essentially food for thought.


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