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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: mushroomplume]
#7732583 - 12/08/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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drewyann you have seen the word and it is good, haf know enemy
an so i haheard it lahfed:
its all good its alright fuck all day fuck all night
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Drewwyann
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what?
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Drewwyann]
#7732612 - 12/08/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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For something to be considered alive; it must grow, consume sustenance, it must be kinetic (some motion, internal and/or external) and have the capability to reproduce.
Oddly enough Fire has all of these requirements
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i agree with the OP. life need not be strictly biological.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Drewwyann]
#7732917 - 12/08/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think this is a good concept, Drewwyan.
It makes me think about life being without a true-self, though many egos are attached to the idea that there are selves and there is a purpose. The result is the dream of separateness and the illusion of time. People see the commercial and think, "Oh, they're trying to sell me something. In fact, the commercial was the coming together of many self-serving motivations and many unmeasurable factors, and has no intent in and of itself.
(Ok, that was a pretty poor analogy, but meh.)
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7732926 - 12/08/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: i agree with the OP. life need not be strictly biological.
Can you provide evidence to back your belief?
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Icelander]
#7732939 - 12/08/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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my evidence could mean nothing to you.
it depends on what your definition of life is.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7732965 - 12/08/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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my evidence could mean nothing to you.
Try me.
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JackthaTripper said: For something to be considered alive; it must grow, consume sustenance, it must be kinetic (some motion, internal and/or external) and have the capability to reproduce.
Oddly enough Fire has all of these requirements
You forgot that it must be composed of cells. Fire has no substance, as it is merely the side-effect of the chemical reaction called combustion. Likewise, commercials do not have a cellular existence of their own, so they are not alive.
Another quality of life is volition, as in an internally-guided ability to act. Neither fire nor TV commercials possess volition.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Veritas]
#7733073 - 12/08/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Veritas said: You forgot that it must be composed of cells.
It was my understanding that biologists still debate whether or not viruses can be considered living. As I understand it, it's not so important what life is composed of. One of the defining characteristics of life is the ability to reproduce.
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Another quality of life is volition, as in an internally-guided ability to act.
So plants are not alive?
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Veritas]
#7733079 - 12/08/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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By the biological definitions, of course it isn't alive, but in a another sense, it very much is.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Silversoul]
#7733080 - 12/08/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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They move towards light.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Icelander]
#7733094 - 12/08/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: They move towards light.
By their own volition?
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Silversoul]
#7733103 - 12/08/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, sweating to reduce temperature.
2. Organization: Being composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.
3. Metabolism: Consumption of energy by converting nonliving material into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.
4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of synthesis than catalysis. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. The particular species begins to multiply and expand as the evolution continues to flourish.
5. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.
6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism when touched to complex reactions involving all the senses of higher animals. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun or an animal chasing its prey.
7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Reproduction can be the division of one cell to form two new cells. Usually the term is applied to the production of a new individual (either asexually, from a single parent organism, or sexually, from at least two differing parent organisms), although strictly speaking it also describes the production of new cells in the process of growth.
A plant's volition is much simpler than that of an animal, but it still adapts and responds based upon internal qualities. The same cannot be said of fire nor TV commercials.
There has been some controversy over the qualification of a virus, which has all the qualities aside from cellular organization.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Veritas]
#7733111 - 12/08/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A plant's volition is much simpler than that of an animal, but it still adapts and responds based upon internal qualities. The same cannot be said of fire nor TV commercials.
Doesn't that computer chess program do just the same thing? Is it alive?
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Drewwyann]
#7733116 - 12/08/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Drewwyann said: By the biological definitions, of course it isn't alive, but in a another sense, it very much is.
Sorry, but life is biological. If you want to discuss life, you cannot differentiate between the "biological definition" and an invented meaning of the word.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Lion]
#7733117 - 12/08/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, a chess program is not alive, as it does not have the OTHER qualities of life.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Lion]
#7733118 - 12/08/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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A plant's volition is much simpler than that of an animal, but it still adapts and responds based upon internal qualities. The same cannot be said of fire nor TV commercials.
Doesn't that computer chess program do just the same thing? Is it alive?
It might be if it could reproduce itself.
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Lion]
#7733133 - 12/08/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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also, doesn't the word volition imply consciousness?
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Re: TV commercials are people too [Re: Silversoul]
#7733142 - 12/08/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, because then a computer virus program would be considered "life." There are many other properties to consider in defining something as alive.
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