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EternalCowabunga
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the 10 commandments of money
#7731689 - 12/08/07 01:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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not sure if this really belongs here, please feel free to move this to the appropriate board if not, middleman 
the 10 commandments of money
1. Thou shalt require money all your life 2. Thou shalt pray to the money system, lest you starve 3. Thou shalt place money AS life 4. Thou shalt have a bank account number as identity 5. Thou shalt produce all goods as numbers of money 6. Thou shalt be called lucky if you get money for free 7. Thou shalt be devoted to money from morning to night 8. Thou shalt despise those with less money as lazy 9. Thou shalt aspire to be like those with more money 10. Thou shalt kill in the name of money
Money now has over 6 billion devotees The illumined ones sitting at the feet of the throne of money The rich ones - living in the lap of the grace of money
The aspiring candidates to moneydom - all have degrees of success to the eternal salvation of moneydom The poor pray for money all the time but are not devoted to the money system - thus must starve.
Is money your religion? Do you place your A-Bill-Ity in a Bill? Are you Response-A-Bill? Is the Buy-Bill Your Bible?
Man has become number and did not notice May man live as long as there is money

If we lived in heaven, would there be a need for money? If the outer world is a reflection of the inner world, what does our continued allowance and approval of money say about us? Is money working for the world? Does it work for us? Or is it the other way around?
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dsquaredccubed
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there are things that can not be bought with plastic
even god is in the money somewhere : P
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you know what they say, God is in the retails
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if($this->User->richParents) { $this->User->work = null; $this->User->netWealth += $this->User->Parent->getInheritance(); }
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dsquaredccubed
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Re: the 10 commandments of money [Re: kristofer]
#7732279 - 12/08/07 08:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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iwonder if we could download the pandimensional aether of thought/memory of uh particular entities in a vr code matrix. how, many bits of data for this project
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AlteredAgain
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perhaps more bits than grains of sand on earth.
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PhanTomCat
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EternalCowabunga said: If we lived in heaven, would there be a need for money? If the outer world is a reflection of the inner world, what does our continued allowance and approval of money say about us? Is money working for the world? Does it work for us? Or is it the other way around?
Pretty clever list....!  It is the GREED for money that is supposed to be the root of all evil, not the money itself.... It is that part that is reflective....
To answer your question, we need money for physical needs.... If there is a heaven, I believe that there would be no physical needs there, thus no need for money....
Money is a strange thing, a trusted flexible means of trade, just as temporary a concept as you and I.... 
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Ozekat
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Re: the 10 commandments of money [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7743226 - 12/10/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I abhor the concept of money and think it only propagates strife and suffering, especially if you are a rich white bastard owning a corporation (or five.)
If humans could truly hold onto compassion and respect for each other there would be no need for money. Trading goods is so much more wholesome for the spirit, or perhaps donating a bit of ones time to work towards getting a certain product in a certain company, actually taking a small part in the process of construction of whatever it is one needs/wants.
Do you guys really think money is necessary to be happy? Say we abolished it all, at once! A miraculous event would occur I'd like to believe. And what even is that?
People would actually value their lives instead of what they own. After all, you don't truly own anything, ever. You only delude yourself into thinking you do.
Equally ridiculous is the concept of "owning" portions of the earth. It is truly the epitome and greatest fault of human social conditioning to lead ourselves on to believe that we can "own" portions of the celestial bodies, which earth is one of!
Perhaps I am lead too astray by the hope that humanity will one day join together and love one another instead of be scared to death of just about EVERYTHING.
oh yeah I also hate cars, they trick the humans into thinking that life is a great rush and although they do allow great freedom, they also take away just as much because humans travel to and fro with such unnecessary speed that they miss out on what is really going on. Thus they don't appreciate their cars, its a sort of self-destructive and numbing concept of freedom.
I say let us trade tomatoes, ride horses or walk and make love in fields, tripping off the vibrations around us at all times! Or some LSD, LSD is fantastic.
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Silversoul
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Re: the 10 commandments of money [Re: Ozekat]
#7743281 - 12/10/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If humans could truly hold onto compassion and respect for each other there would be no need for money. Trading goods is so much more wholesome for the spirit, or perhaps donating a bit of ones time to work towards getting a certain product in a certain company, actually taking a small part in the process of construction of whatever it is one needs/wants.
I fail to see how barter is any more enlightened. There would still be people who were more wealthy and less wealthy, but there would be the added problem of having no consistent means of exchange. That's all money is: a means of exchange. It is not wealth. It only represents wealth, and allows for it to be exchanged more easily. The problem is not lust for money, but lust for wealth.
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Do you guys really think money is necessary to be happy? Say we abolished it all, at once! A miraculous event would occur I'd like to believe. And what even is that?
People would actually value their lives instead of what they own. After all, you don't truly own anything, ever. You only delude yourself into thinking you do.
What would happen is that people would get confused about the exchange rate. Say I make watches for a living. How many watches for a Subway sandwich? It might be the case that certain commodities would be widely agreed upon enough that they become the new currency, and thus money is reestablished. In Ancient Egypt, the government taxed farmers not by taking a portion of their wages, but by taking a portion of their crop. The is the same, no?
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Equally ridiculous is the concept of "owning" portions of the earth. It is truly the epitome and greatest fault of human social conditioning to lead ourselves on to believe that we can "own" portions of the celestial bodies, which earth is one of!
Here I agree, although I think that it makes sense to secure a portion of land for private use. But since the land should rightfully belong to all of mankind in common, the landowner should pay back to the community the value of the land. That's one reason why I support the economic ideas of Henry George.
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Perhaps I am lead too astray by the hope that humanity will one day join together and love one another instead of be scared to death of just about EVERYTHING.
It's a nice dream, but abolishing money will not abolish greed.
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oh yeah I also hate cars, they trick the humans into thinking that life is a great rush and although they do allow great freedom, they also take away just as much because humans travel to and fro with such unnecessary speed that they miss out on what is really going on. Thus they don't appreciate their cars, its a sort of self-destructive and numbing concept of freedom.
Meh...I like having a car. I wish it was a high-tech hybrid with lightweight design and an engine that runs on cellulosic ethanol. It seems to me that you're a primitivist(except for love of acid, which requires advance chemistry to produce). I, on the other hand, am a futurist. That's not to say that I don't enjoy being in nature. On the contrary, I think technology combined with smart policy and business decisions can actually help put us in greater harmony with the earth and with each other.
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Ozekat
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Re: the 10 commandments of money [Re: Silversoul]
#7758669 - 12/14/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If humans could truly hold onto compassion and respect for each other there would be no need for money. Trading goods is so much more wholesome for the spirit, or perhaps donating a bit of ones time to work towards getting a certain product in a certain company, actually taking a small part in the process of construction of whatever it is one needs/wants.
I fail to see how barter is any more enlightened. There would still be people who were more wealthy and less wealthy, but there would be the added problem of having no consistent means of exchange. That's all money is: a means of exchange. It is not wealth. It only represents wealth, and allows for it to be exchanged more easily. The problem is not lust for money, but lust for wealth.
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Do you guys really think money is necessary to be happy? Say we abolished it all, at once! A miraculous event would occur I'd like to believe. And what even is that?
People would actually value their lives instead of what they own. After all, you don't truly own anything, ever. You only delude yourself into thinking you do.
What would happen is that people would get confused about the exchange rate. Say I make watches for a living. How many watches for a Subway sandwich? It might be the case that certain commodities would be widely agreed upon enough that they become the new currency, and thus money is reestablished. In Ancient Egypt, the government taxed farmers not by taking a portion of their wages, but by taking a portion of their crop. The is the same, no?
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Equally ridiculous is the concept of "owning" portions of the earth. It is truly the epitome and greatest fault of human social conditioning to lead ourselves on to believe that we can "own" portions of the celestial bodies, which earth is one of!
Here I agree, although I think that it makes sense to secure a portion of land for private use. But since the land should rightfully belong to all of mankind in common, the landowner should pay back to the community the value of the land. That's one reason why I support the economic ideas of Henry George.
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Perhaps I am lead too astray by the hope that humanity will one day join together and love one another instead of be scared to death of just about EVERYTHING.
It's a nice dream, but abolishing money will not abolish greed.
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oh yeah I also hate cars, they trick the humans into thinking that life is a great rush and although they do allow great freedom, they also take away just as much because humans travel to and fro with such unnecessary speed that they miss out on what is really going on. Thus they don't appreciate their cars, its a sort of self-destructive and numbing concept of freedom.
Meh...I like having a car. I wish it was a high-tech hybrid with lightweight design and an engine that runs on cellulosic ethanol. It seems to me that you're a primitivist(except for love of acid, which requires advance chemistry to produce). I, on the other hand, am a futurist. That's not to say that I don't enjoy being in nature. On the contrary, I think technology combined with smart policy and business decisions can actually help put us in greater harmony with the earth and with each other.
ahh, you have good ideas, and a very well versed and ordered counterargument to my own.
without disagreement I would not know my own philosophy as well, arguing peacefully like this is a very productive way to enlighten oneself...
anyway I'm glad to hear that you agree with me on the earth aspect, that is one of my most important points to the rant.
I believe that perhaps we do need some form of currency to handle exchanges, but a free choice to trade goods should be a more common identifier for the entire world populace. After all it is still a choice, only that we are all swayed, no forced into using money and thus manipulated by it severely in the end.
Humans need to be aware of other influences and redefine wealth for themselves. Let us take some of the power of money away, and weaken the rapist/abusive/evil gov't that stands behind it. Or just rich white men for short.

Perhaps we do need to abolish money, briefly, to rejustify value for LIFE. People have it all backwards thesedays and I think if vast overhauls or outright abolishment of funds occurred for some time they would realize the fallacy of greed and perhaps maybe appreciate the grass more , eh?
You called me out for having primitivist ideals, perhaps you are right somewhat. But I also support PEACEFUL technology that can neutralize its existence by equally technological-ecosystem-conscious practices...
our sciences and arts should coexist with the lands that we feed and sustain our lives from. When I open my eyes to take in a peripheral view of the world thesedays I see nothing but one sided greed, corrupt human minds that are HIDING from the truth that we are in grave danger of destroying ourselves, running low on food and the natural resources we so mercifully waste and rape from the earth.
it could be so much better, but ask yourself
DO WE EVEN CARE ABOUT MAKING IT BETTER? as a species?
of course you and I do, and most people who post on these threads. 'caues the shroomery kicks ass...
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