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The point of living...
    #7729934 - 12/07/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So awhile ago I made a post saying that humanity doesn't serve a purpose and that there isn't really any point in living but lately i've come to the conclusion that the point of life on earth is simply because you can... well that and procreation of the species.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7729983 - 12/07/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with the fact that we exist because we can.

I don't see anything that shows that our "purpose" is to procreate. What more pointless point than that is out there? :lol:
Procreate to have kids because they NEED to procreate in order to make other kids that in their turn will procreate with the same purpose and on & on. :nut: And then what? :lol: Ahhh yes, I know... procreate :razz:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7729995 - 12/07/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Basically, goals in life.
There is a point of living, it depends on what goal you wish to achieve. Either to mark a time in history; or like my goal, become liberated from this suffering and reach nirvana.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: mkc]
    #7730001 - 12/07/07 06:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What if you reach Valhalla? :tongue:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7730153 - 12/07/07 06:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

IMO humans are here to consume entheogens and put positive energy back into the earth thus the cycle continues.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7730251 - 12/07/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

In the truest sense of the word, as the human race, our 'purpose' or 'point' is to procreate. It's as simple as life (as we define it) not wanting to cease to exist., it doesn't get any deeper. Any other attempt to come up with a mystical meaning is further blinding us and not allowing us, as humans, to realize that every concept of a divine being or 'higher purpose', doesn't exist.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Boots]
    #7730501 - 12/07/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yawn. Just b/c your life is bland and free of those "mystical" type moments doesnt actually mean that they dont exist. We are more than just physical animals, we are mental time travelers.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7730902 - 12/07/07 09:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Life created the concept of purpose.

Organisms are specialized things designed to do a job. It doesn't mean they have a purpose, it just means they do something they are programmed to do. If you call that a purpose, then yes, procreation is the purpose of life.

I really don't think life has any purpose, and that is why this question will never be answered.

Really in the end, why do we need a purpose to be? Being isn't something that needs a purpose, it's something that is. In order to be, we need to be. Thats about it IMO. but there are soooo many variations of this, so thats just my take.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7731698 - 12/08/07 01:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All the purpose around living is about existence. To prolong existence, to be specific.
That's true on a biological level and on a spiritual level as well, as our mind produces and recognizes meaning, which is more or less existent according to our physical existence (and vice versa).
Condensing this means, the meaning for human life is to bring one's talents into existence and prolong them.
At least that's how I see the subject.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7731752 - 12/08/07 02:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Purpose for an individual is very specific and we have a choice to define it.. At any moment our purpose can change and in an instance our lives could be forfeit for that cause. In the biological sense we exist to consume and expel matter. But our existence is not that simple. we seek no balance with nature around us our purpose seems to be a constant state of progression ignoring the world around us we plummet to economic greatness. And leave behind the world that would sustain our plunder.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7731776 - 12/08/07 02:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don't get it backwards. We don't exist to consume and expel matter, we consume and expel matter to exist.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7731779 - 12/08/07 02:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ahhh I forget part of the bigger picture not the individual one. :wink:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7731782 - 12/08/07 02:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The purpose of life is to live, but even that can be denied in suicide.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7731783 - 12/08/07 02:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:smile:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7731784 - 12/08/07 02:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Drewwyann said:
Life created the concept of purpose.

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Being isn't something that needs a purpose, it's something that is.




Yes. I must agree.
Reproduction is a function that we possess.
Realisticly, I believe we just create a purpose our selves....because, really........who is to make the definitive decision as to what our *official* purpose is?
You decide that your self. Do what ever you want! Your purpose could be reproducing as much as possible, or worshipping some type of deity, or trying to make as much money as possible, or trying to spiritually evolve, or what ever. And obviously you could pick and choose more than one.

So in essence....the purpose is nothing........and it is any thing!


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Desu]
    #7731789 - 12/08/07 02:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

And what Drives us to fulfill our purpose?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7731796 - 12/08/07 02:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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And what Drives us to fulfill our purpose?




Satan.

ha ha........I'm not going to argue with you on this.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7731803 - 12/08/07 02:44 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe there exists purposeful suicide in accordance to even sustain the spiritual 'level' of life relating to 'healthiness'.
But we would arrive at a very critical subject there, reaching also into eugenics, for example...
I have to think about :wink:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Walter1496211]
    #7731809 - 12/08/07 02:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The purpose of life is to live..
The purpose of humans is to live for about one or two years... and then become manipulated into thinking the purpose of life is to make money and grow up to be a respectable member of society (what do YOU want to be when you grow up, little one?)

You are asking a very general question Walter but I think what Drives most of us are very banal motivations. At least for me, I am not that conscious - most of my motivations are unconscious, at least for now. If we are able to transcend cultural programming, it is possible that we will align with the Tao, or Life, and then we will be Life living for Life, feeling full of life and being fulfilled.

So I think there is in fact a schism between the purposes we produce in our minds and what is really the purpose here. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe the mind is all we have?

Going back to the "what do you want to be when you grow up" thing... is it fucked up that I never had an answer to this question?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7731831 - 12/08/07 02:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

fight club shit... poverty, murder, starvation. These things don't concern me what is my purpose if not to provide weight to balance out the evil that kills men without giving them the choice to live.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7731840 - 12/08/07 03:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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is it fucked up that I never had an answer to this question?




Is it fucked up that you could never definitively decide which one of the few society-created cookie-cutter occupations you wanted to adopt?

Of course. ^_^


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7731890 - 12/08/07 03:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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yawn. Just b/c your life is bland and free of those "mystical" type moments doesnt actually mean that they dont exist. We are more than just physical animals, we are mental time travelers.




hehe, for the most part, my life is no more bland than anybody else's. I'm not saying that '"mystical" type moments' don't exist but it's not the species purpose to experience it, necessarily. By the way, could you clarify just what in the fuck a 'mental time traveler' is?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Boots]
    #7731917 - 12/08/07 04:34 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't see anything that shows that our "purpose" is to procreate. What more pointless point than that is out there? :lol:
Procreate to have kids because they NEED to procreate in order to make other kids that in their turn will procreate with the same purpose and on & on. :nut: And then what? :lol: Ahhh yes, I know... procreate





you obviously don't know anything about bio sciences.. .  :tongue:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Merkin]
    #7731957 - 12/08/07 05:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Procreation might be considered the path of life, but as for why we live I dont think it answers anything. Everything we do can be a referral to this path, but where does this path lead?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7732004 - 12/08/07 05:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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but where does this path lead?




nowhere.

we evolve, we procreate, we evolve, we create... we destroy..


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Merkin]
    #7732051 - 12/08/07 06:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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you obviously don't know anything about bio sciences.. .  :tongue:




You obviously didn't make any point with that statement.
In order to be taken serious, you need to provide information.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Merkin]
    #7732052 - 12/08/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

But even on a strictly evolutionary basis it is evident that we are moving in a liniar direction to which we can only distinguish as better adapted, often more complex. This movement in a distinguishable direction is unified by survival instinct. You might easily argue the significance of it, but how do you deny its movement towards something?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Boots]
    #7732203 - 12/08/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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In the truest sense of the word, as the human race, our 'purpose' or 'point' is to procreate. It's as simple as life (as we define it) not wanting to cease to exist., it doesn't get any deeper. Any other attempt to come up with a mystical meaning is further blinding us and not allowing us, as humans, to realize that every concept of a divine being or 'higher purpose', doesn't exist.




I agree our foremost purpose is to procreate. As to the rest of your claim there doesn't seem to be conclusive evidence so no judgment can be rendered.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7732208 - 12/08/07 08:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

but where does this path lead?


That's seemingly unanswerable. Most evidence points to the same place the dinosaurs went as far as the human animal goes but we are most likely just a bit player in earth evolution. Beyond that we are all guessing based mostly on wishful thinking and death anxiety.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7732217 - 12/08/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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But even on a strictly evolutionary basis it is evident that we are moving in a liniar direction to which we can only distinguish as better adapted, often more complex. This movement in a distinguishable direction is unified by survival instinct. You might easily argue the significance of it, but how do you deny its movement towards something?




There is no proof that our move towards more complexity will not be cause of our eventual demise, otherwise the dinosaurs and all other species would still be evolving in linear direction. The goal of evolution is survival as far as we know.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
    #7732440 - 12/08/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

True, I was waiting for someone to call me on that. The individual species moves towards complexity, and thus far, has died out one after another. There is movement towards complexity but it is relative to the environment.

We are the first ones to reach this highth, here on earth, and in our process it is easy to distinguish a liniarity in evolution from our past! Every moment of their existence humans might be considered the pinnacle of evolution. The Highest weve ever seen in history, biology or anything. Id say its more speculative to limit this to all the other forms of existence we have surpassed, than wonder at possibility.;)



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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733332 - 12/08/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Strange.. I see greater confusion, not complexity. I guess I'm just projecting again. What are you basing your evidence off of to say that we are moving in a linear progression from the past? Technology?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7733339 - 12/08/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well where do you think all the confusion comes from?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733351 - 12/08/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7733367 - 12/08/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733371 - 12/08/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Technological complexity is not an indicator of evolution. I don't buy for one second that we are any more 'evolved' now than we were when we first emerged as homo sapiens. And evolution is also not a process of becoming 'better' it is a process of changing with one's environmental pressures. The whole bullshit notion that civilized people are more 'evolved' than non-civilized people is a joke, a lie, a way to make us feel better about ourselves despite the fact that we are more alienated, more unhappy, and more unhealthy than your average band of hunter gatherers.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7733379 - 12/08/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

And evolution is also not a process of becoming 'better' it is a process of changing with one's environmental pressures.

Word.

Evolution doesn't seem concerned with whether we is happy or not.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7733425 - 12/08/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If we go on the assumption that we are more evolved than single celled organisms of which we evolved, is this not a movement towards higher complexity?

I think we are lost, confused, in the complexity of our minds.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7733432 - 12/08/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Technological complexity is not an indicator of evolution. I don't buy for one second that we are any more 'evolved' now than we were when we first emerged as homo sapiens. And evolution is also not a process of becoming 'better' it is a process of changing with one's environmental pressures. The whole bullshit notion that civilized people are more 'evolved' than non-civilized people is a joke, a lie, a way to make us feel better about ourselves despite the fact that we are more alienated, more unhappy, and more unhealthy than your average band of hunter gatherers.




Nah I dont think its evident in our technology, you got it all wrong. A chimp can operate a lightswitch. I was mostly referring to our brain structure.

Also my use of the word better refers to better at staying alive, reproducing...I think it fits


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
    #7733455 - 12/08/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Evolution doesn't seem concerned with whether we is happy or not.




And this, is the thesis of my next paper actually. That enlightenment is not an evolutionary process.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733522 - 12/08/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You are correct.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733540 - 12/08/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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daytripper23 said:
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Icelander said:
Evolution doesn't seem concerned with whether we is happy or not.




And this, is the thesis of my next paper actually. That enlightenment is not an evolutionary process.




Good luck, I just did a paper on the same topic :thumbup:
Looking through some of the threads made here in P&S was of some aid


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7733551 - 12/08/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hey awesome, you mind if i take a look at your essay, to possibly trigger some new thought? PM me.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733570 - 12/08/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sent you a PM.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7733743 - 12/08/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe there isn't a point to life? Maybe we are just here living...when I try to think about it my mind usually will go blank because its something that is far too complex to think about.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: moses]
    #7733753 - 12/08/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yup


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
    #7733831 - 12/08/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

wouldn't this be absurdism?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: igwna]
    #7733836 - 12/08/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This what?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7733851 - 12/08/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

idea that life on earth has no meaning.

isn't that absurdism? that albert camus talks about?

that life is just, absurd.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: igwna]
    #7733864 - 12/08/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't really believe life has no meaning. I do however believe that I am unable to discern what if any meaning is there.

I can create my own meaning but that's all I can do.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
    #7734351 - 12/08/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

For there to be apoint to living, there must first be a point to existence- that is to say, that there must be some point in the future, some goal we as people, or existense as itself is trying to get to. Some sort of coincedence or medal we are trying to achieve- as if it were a race and we are trying to win.

Which would mean that there is something we are all moving towards, some moment in the future that we are trying to get to, in order to accomplish some task. This task, if it exists would have to be dependent on existence itself. That means that existense caused the need for this task, and relies on this task being done.

I dont think that there is a certain point* to living, some thing that we are supposed to actually do while we live here. I dont think there is some overwhelming objective to this life.

WE are in no means in a race to some crossroads in existence. Existence has occoured and now we are to ride it, assumably to infinity....

As we are in this world, on Earth, in our bodies, going to school, working, ect. i think there is no real point to it...

.... other than to just have fun.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7734384 - 12/08/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The point of life is different for everybody, therefore there is no point to life. Its just a thing that happens that we deal with.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: TODAY]
    #7734396 - 12/08/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You can't say that life is a thing that happens that WE deal with. Because for us to deal, is dependent on life itself.

you should say that we are something that life deals with.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7734640 - 12/08/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All this talk of procreation but perhaps what we need is to not procreate, at least for a few decades. I mean fuck, there are just too many of us any way you look at it.

When I come across threads such as these I can't help but be reminded of some nagging feeling that sits deep inside me, always there, bringing attention back to itself.

This feeling is that humans generally DO NOT want to calm down, both externally and internally, to the natural soothing flow of nature and that which they spun forth from. Almost suicidally destructive now, I honestly feel that humans here on the whole are so shallow and damn afraid and used to it they have forgotten as a species really what its all about. And what else besides fun and love, man? We need the ancients to come back and reteach our masses what it means to truly live.

They want to keep building their weapons of unnecessarily mammoth proportions and kill kill kill. I don't think "we" want to go on, or perhaps "they"? I loathe identifying myself with the average misinformed and bewildered human, and that is a sad thing.

Whats worse is I feel that we have been here before. I wonder to myself, what similarly structured organisms from other solar systems/universes have taken this exact same path of internal destruction and fear to the extremes that we have, again perhaps earthlings have done this countless times before on neighboring planets. It just seems to damn typical of us to go and fuck up something quite fundamentally simple and awesome.

Perhaps I am pessimistic? I like to believe I am more realistically-oriented in my thoughts.

How much longer can we sustain mutually destructive humanity, mutually killing off itself and EVERYTHING it once thrived from? I don't think we thrive anymore, its more of a sadistic leeching.

ARGH

lol I can't help but rant when it comes to life-questioning.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Ozekat]
    #7734663 - 12/08/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that we are fucking up the simplicity of life with all of our stupid idiosyconcies* and such. I agree that i fell some weird sense of "oh no... not this phase of humanity again-" this phase being that of alienation from one another.

I belive that the cure to this alientation is not further separation, or abstenience from sexual intercourse, but..... a global cosmic creation or consciousness.

Like, each time we reach this point in humanity- the point of alienation- we have the opportunity to grasp onto something special.Some form of life that would allow us to live in complete harmony.

Like we have reached this point in the past.... But failed to grasp onto the cosmic univeral, global consiousness that would allow us to excel into a new order. A new world that would allow every person to live freely.

-I truely belive this, i belive that in a few years, the human race, as a whole, will be able to move into a new age. An age that would allow us to become a united object.


I hope i propose my ideas clearly enough....


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Re: The point of living... [Re: nolongerinuse]
    #7734768 - 12/08/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, Ozekat and new2grow. What we need right now is to collectively stop our minds. We need to slow down, get our priorities in check. The problem is we can't force people to wake up, they have to do it by themselves.. otherwise some serious events are going to go down which will indeed force people to wake up. No I don't have proof of this, but people know something is up.

No more going to the doctor to get anti-depressants or doing drugs to numb the consciousness. We all need to heal ourselves, individually - we are our best doctors. Self forgiveness, self honesty, self dedication.. these are important. There is too much fear and anger in humanity right now, and I do think that we have probably been here in the past, and that we will keep making the same mistake until we learn.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7735248 - 12/09/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, I agree. Sex is great, theres nothing wrong with it at all, and the mere act, at times, can further ones personal evolution in terms of consciousness, feelings of empathy and truly feeling connected to someone else, even without creating babies.

I'm starting to see that the combined form of man and woman is the true nature of unity that perhaps will excel our evolution into new territories at a vastly faster rate than others. And I mean the merging of the minds, the greater sense of self awareness that one can achieve through truly loving another with no thoughts of the self.

The best sex for me is when one is totally focused on the other, not selfishly thinking of fucking or trying to get off and feel good. But to feel connected, to feel that is truly something grand.

I am more in tune with myself when I have a mate to compliment my nature. Accentuate me, make me total, thus I accentuate you and make you complete as well. For man alone or woman alone seems alienated and obsolete in ways other than just chemically and the certain scientific laws that state we must mate with one another to continue our species.

The human is self conscious and capable of abstract thought, so our mating at least can be very interesting and mentally constructive, I could rant on and on about mental connections between men and women and the resultant superiority that seems to prevail when there is a peaceful and creative coexistence between the two...

Now, I get confused if you add in the factor of homosexuality. I have nothing against this or those who actively practice it, and I'm not trying to start a debate centered around it. But I wouldn't be able to really hold up my argument so much if that particular subject was presented as a counterpoint or argument. Because I just don't understand it personally.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7735669 - 12/09/07 08:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

but people know something is up.


I think I remember us saying this in the 60s.:lol:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
    #7735677 - 12/09/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

life would feel meaningless to me if i didn't have hopes for a bigger picture. :frown:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: igwna]
    #7735709 - 12/09/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This could turn into a very nasty problem for you someday if your beliefs ever get dashed.

These days I am trying to find pleasure in the moment with no hope for reward. If there is one then I will be pleasantly surprised but if not I will be just dandy with what I have now.


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