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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733522 - 12/08/07 02:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You are correct.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733540 - 12/08/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

daytripper23 said:
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Icelander said:
Evolution doesn't seem concerned with whether we is happy or not.




And this, is the thesis of my next paper actually. That enlightenment is not an evolutionary process.




Good luck, I just did a paper on the same topic :thumbup:
Looking through some of the threads made here in P&S was of some aid


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7733551 - 12/08/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hey awesome, you mind if i take a look at your essay, to possibly trigger some new thought? PM me.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7733570 - 12/08/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sent you a PM.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7733743 - 12/08/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe there isn't a point to life? Maybe we are just here living...when I try to think about it my mind usually will go blank because its something that is far too complex to think about.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: moses]
    #7733753 - 12/08/07 03:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yup


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
    #7733831 - 12/08/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

wouldn't this be absurdism?


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Re: The point of living... [Re: igwna]
    #7733836 - 12/08/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This what?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: The point of living... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7733851 - 12/08/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

idea that life on earth has no meaning.

isn't that absurdism? that albert camus talks about?

that life is just, absurd.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: igwna]
    #7733864 - 12/08/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't really believe life has no meaning. I do however believe that I am unable to discern what if any meaning is there.

I can create my own meaning but that's all I can do.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
    #7734351 - 12/08/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

For there to be apoint to living, there must first be a point to existence- that is to say, that there must be some point in the future, some goal we as people, or existense as itself is trying to get to. Some sort of coincedence or medal we are trying to achieve- as if it were a race and we are trying to win.

Which would mean that there is something we are all moving towards, some moment in the future that we are trying to get to, in order to accomplish some task. This task, if it exists would have to be dependent on existence itself. That means that existense caused the need for this task, and relies on this task being done.

I dont think that there is a certain point* to living, some thing that we are supposed to actually do while we live here. I dont think there is some overwhelming objective to this life.

WE are in no means in a race to some crossroads in existence. Existence has occoured and now we are to ride it, assumably to infinity....

As we are in this world, on Earth, in our bodies, going to school, working, ect. i think there is no real point to it...

.... other than to just have fun.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: learningtofly]
    #7734384 - 12/08/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The point of life is different for everybody, therefore there is no point to life. Its just a thing that happens that we deal with.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: TODAY]
    #7734396 - 12/08/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You can't say that life is a thing that happens that WE deal with. Because for us to deal, is dependent on life itself.

you should say that we are something that life deals with.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: daytripper23]
    #7734640 - 12/08/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

All this talk of procreation but perhaps what we need is to not procreate, at least for a few decades. I mean fuck, there are just too many of us any way you look at it.

When I come across threads such as these I can't help but be reminded of some nagging feeling that sits deep inside me, always there, bringing attention back to itself.

This feeling is that humans generally DO NOT want to calm down, both externally and internally, to the natural soothing flow of nature and that which they spun forth from. Almost suicidally destructive now, I honestly feel that humans here on the whole are so shallow and damn afraid and used to it they have forgotten as a species really what its all about. And what else besides fun and love, man? We need the ancients to come back and reteach our masses what it means to truly live.

They want to keep building their weapons of unnecessarily mammoth proportions and kill kill kill. I don't think "we" want to go on, or perhaps "they"? I loathe identifying myself with the average misinformed and bewildered human, and that is a sad thing.

Whats worse is I feel that we have been here before. I wonder to myself, what similarly structured organisms from other solar systems/universes have taken this exact same path of internal destruction and fear to the extremes that we have, again perhaps earthlings have done this countless times before on neighboring planets. It just seems to damn typical of us to go and fuck up something quite fundamentally simple and awesome.

Perhaps I am pessimistic? I like to believe I am more realistically-oriented in my thoughts.

How much longer can we sustain mutually destructive humanity, mutually killing off itself and EVERYTHING it once thrived from? I don't think we thrive anymore, its more of a sadistic leeching.

ARGH

lol I can't help but rant when it comes to life-questioning.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: Ozekat]
    #7734663 - 12/08/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that we are fucking up the simplicity of life with all of our stupid idiosyconcies* and such. I agree that i fell some weird sense of "oh no... not this phase of humanity again-" this phase being that of alienation from one another.

I belive that the cure to this alientation is not further separation, or abstenience from sexual intercourse, but..... a global cosmic creation or consciousness.

Like, each time we reach this point in humanity- the point of alienation- we have the opportunity to grasp onto something special.Some form of life that would allow us to live in complete harmony.

Like we have reached this point in the past.... But failed to grasp onto the cosmic univeral, global consiousness that would allow us to excel into a new order. A new world that would allow every person to live freely.

-I truely belive this, i belive that in a few years, the human race, as a whole, will be able to move into a new age. An age that would allow us to become a united object.


I hope i propose my ideas clearly enough....


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Re: The point of living... [Re: nolongerinuse]
    #7734768 - 12/08/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, Ozekat and new2grow. What we need right now is to collectively stop our minds. We need to slow down, get our priorities in check. The problem is we can't force people to wake up, they have to do it by themselves.. otherwise some serious events are going to go down which will indeed force people to wake up. No I don't have proof of this, but people know something is up.

No more going to the doctor to get anti-depressants or doing drugs to numb the consciousness. We all need to heal ourselves, individually - we are our best doctors. Self forgiveness, self honesty, self dedication.. these are important. There is too much fear and anger in humanity right now, and I do think that we have probably been here in the past, and that we will keep making the same mistake until we learn.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7735248 - 12/09/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, I agree. Sex is great, theres nothing wrong with it at all, and the mere act, at times, can further ones personal evolution in terms of consciousness, feelings of empathy and truly feeling connected to someone else, even without creating babies.

I'm starting to see that the combined form of man and woman is the true nature of unity that perhaps will excel our evolution into new territories at a vastly faster rate than others. And I mean the merging of the minds, the greater sense of self awareness that one can achieve through truly loving another with no thoughts of the self.

The best sex for me is when one is totally focused on the other, not selfishly thinking of fucking or trying to get off and feel good. But to feel connected, to feel that is truly something grand.

I am more in tune with myself when I have a mate to compliment my nature. Accentuate me, make me total, thus I accentuate you and make you complete as well. For man alone or woman alone seems alienated and obsolete in ways other than just chemically and the certain scientific laws that state we must mate with one another to continue our species.

The human is self conscious and capable of abstract thought, so our mating at least can be very interesting and mentally constructive, I could rant on and on about mental connections between men and women and the resultant superiority that seems to prevail when there is a peaceful and creative coexistence between the two...

Now, I get confused if you add in the factor of homosexuality. I have nothing against this or those who actively practice it, and I'm not trying to start a debate centered around it. But I wouldn't be able to really hold up my argument so much if that particular subject was presented as a counterpoint or argument. Because I just don't understand it personally.


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Re: The point of living... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7735669 - 12/09/07 08:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

but people know something is up.


I think I remember us saying this in the 60s.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The point of living... [Re: Icelander]
    #7735677 - 12/09/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

life would feel meaningless to me if i didn't have hopes for a bigger picture. :frown:


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Re: The point of living... [Re: igwna]
    #7735709 - 12/09/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This could turn into a very nasty problem for you someday if your beliefs ever get dashed.

These days I am trying to find pleasure in the moment with no hope for reward. If there is one then I will be pleasantly surprised but if not I will be just dandy with what I have now.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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